This sucks... no oil flow to heads
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01/26/13 06:42 PM
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Hey gang.. I'm helping a buddy fire up his '71 440 for the 1st time. As a preparation, we're priming the motor... Welllllllllllll,
We're not getting any oil to the heads via the pedastals to the rocker arm shafts. We have oil and pressure to the oil pressure sending unit and I can see it oozing along the back the lifer valley... It is my understanding there are plugs in the back of the block that block off the passages? If not installed, the oil flows withing the block, but dumps back down into the oil pan? Hence not going up to the heads? We took off the rocker arm assemble/shaft and can't see ANYTHING coming out of the 4 holes........
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Last edited by hemi68charger; 01/26/13 07:06 PM.
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Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head
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01/26/13 06:44 PM
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You have to rotate the crank while prelubing it so the passageways int he cam journal will line up with the passageways drilled in the block that feed the heads.
This alignment only occurs once per side for every two crank revolutions.
Oh, only one of the two "holes" gets oiled per head, the other hole is there so that the head can work on either side of the block.
Last edited by Supercuda; 01/26/13 06:45 PM.
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Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head
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01/26/13 07:06 PM
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You have to rotate the crank while prelubing it so the passageways int he cam journal will line up with the passageways drilled in the block that feed the heads.
This alignment only occurs once per side for every two crank revolutions.
Oh, only one of the two "holes" gets oiled per head, the other hole is there so that the head can work on either side of the block.
You have to rotate the crank while using the drill to rotate the pump at the same time? mmmmmmmm ? Never heard of that?
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head
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01/26/13 07:12 PM
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And ..... you'll only get oil to one side at a time. Keep turning the crank to lube the other side. Frank edit! Ahh .. Supercuda already said that.
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Re: This sucks... oil issurs to head
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01/26/13 07:14 PM
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I'm not getting oil to either of the four possible holes on the rocker arm pedestal.. I've called my friend back and will.........
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads
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01/26/13 07:26 PM
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Put the shafts back on first, or you'll be watching oil drip off of the ceiling for a bit.
Hahahaha... Yes, well, I put the bolts in..... But, I will go back and install the shafts.......
Hopefully it is the lack of rotating the crank that's lead to our misdiagnoses.. I would hate to pull the motor. I have a remote starter, so we'll crank as we spin the oil pump....
Cheers,
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads
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01/26/13 08:27 PM
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By the illustration, I wouldn't have come to a conclusion to rotate the crank and I couldn't find anything in the service manual to state this fact of rotating the crank. The motor is complete fresh, no carbon build up here... BUT, Success........ I used my remote starter connected to the starter relay switch and cranked the motor will Hoss spun the pump priming rod... Voila !! It worked... Oil oozing all over the rear pedastals for the rocker shafts... Soooooooo, all's good in the world. I'll button it up and press forward with the initial start up ( probably next weekend now ). Thanks guys..
TroyHouston Mopar Connection Club'69 Charger Daytona 440 - auto - 4.10 Dana (now with 426 hemi) '69 Charger 500 440 - 4speed - 3.54 Dana '70 Road Runner 383 - 4speed - a/c (now with 440)
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Re: This sucks... no oil flow to heads
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01/26/13 10:25 PM
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next time with the timing chain dot to dot (6 & 12 o'clock) the timing marks will be at TDC & #6 cyl is firing. Prime it at that point & the pass head will oil then turn the crank back 3/4 turn (till the rotor is under the #8 cap terminal) & the DR head is oiling at that point. That way you're doing the least amount of hand turning before fireup which'll wipe the goop off of the cam lobes
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