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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137222
10/20/08 08:09 PM
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Georgetown Ontario Canada
anlauto
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Dave, I hope you've work out a cleaner way to take underside shots of your latest project...The Cuda and Challenger look great except the "big red hoist" When you perfect the picture taking, you should re-do the other two cars as mentioned....Posters is not a far-fetched idea.  How about BEFORE and AFTER shots like that of the Valiant? 
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: In_The_Pink]
#137224
10/20/08 09:06 PM
10/20/08 09:06 PM
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I'd love to hear an answer regarding my question about the air in the tires, which, based on the P.O.'s word, is original air....
Yes, if you claim all and only the original parts (except where a part has worn beyond re-use like your brake line example) are to be re-used.
I like researching those who approach me with “my words” or tell me what “I meant” when I state something. Nowhere have I contradicted or back peddled with regards to the words “parts” or “components.” You have mentioned the brake hoses a couple of times as a reference to things I have said that I will replace. Maybe you have trouble reading or understanding but nowhere did I say that the brake hoses had to be replaced. I simply used those components as an EXAMPLE of an item that MIGHT need to be further evaluated as the disassembly process moves forward. I really am not to concerned with what you feel to be “correct” or not concerning this project. Coming from a person who shops the local Hardware stores for THEIR parts, I find your critique comical at best. Like I said in the beginning of my statement, I like to find the intent of strangers who come out of left field to play the semantics game. Here are a couple of posts from other threads that you have chimed in on:
YOUR QUOTE: “FWIW, I had a hard time finding them online, so I went to a great local Ace Hardware store (above and beyond what a normal Ace would stock) and found some heavy duty u-bolts for $3.00 or so each.”
YOUR QUOTE: “Make sure you measure the O.D. of the grey electrical conduit first. I had an old piece (at least five years ago) that was the perfect diameter, but it got tossed at some point. When I headed to Home Depot to buy another piece, the 3/4" plastic conduit's O.D. was too small. I ended up buying a piece of metal 3/4" conduit and it was the right O.D.”
You might want to get your own affairs in order before you become the “Mopar Police” telling people what they really meant concerning statements about their vehicles. Again, I stand on my original opening statement about “ALL” original components with no waver what so ever.
Ace Hardware? Home Depot? Thank you for your expertise and guidance on this project!
Oh yeah....the mention of "original air" was nothing more than a statement to stress how untouched and original the car is. Odd that you really needed to have that explained.
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: badblack68]
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10/20/08 11:33 PM
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Dave (ECS), Yah know what, I have stayed out of these posts and off moparts now for a while, as i think its mostly a bunch of hippocritcal windbags and a bunch of wanne be's, chicken S@&%'s (that's for you Tom), and whiners on here.. (did i say that outloud).... But i have really got to tell you... your continued condescending come back comments to people is really OFF PUTTING enough for me to tell you this: I originally had an immense respect (and i still somewhat do, but am losing it quickly), for you and your endeavors, and for your courage to stand up to these idiots... in lou of gettiing a rep for having an "attitude" ... but what some have said in this forum about your statements seem to be pretty fair judgements of your written words... yet you feel the need to put them down, correct them, or make some seem as if they are beneath you, etc... Really! My Unsolicted advice: Just go restore your car.... post picks or documanmtion, answer Q's along the way,, and enjoy it (how ever you do that?)... but quit being such a DRAMA QUEEN! In all sincerity Mike
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137227
10/20/08 11:53 PM
10/20/08 11:53 PM
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Milwaukee, WI
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I'd love to hear an answer regarding my question about the air in the tires, which, based on the P.O.'s word, is original air....
I like researching those who approach me with “my words” or tell me what “I meant” when I state something. Nowhere have I contradicted or back peddled with regards to the words “parts” or “components.” You have mentioned the brake hoses a couple of times as a reference to things I have said that I will replace. Maybe you have trouble reading or understanding but nowhere did I say that the brake hoses had to be replaced. I simply used those components as an EXAMPLE of an item that MIGHT need to be further evaluated as the disassembly process moved forward. I really am not to concerned with what you feel to be “correct” or not concerning this project.
I'm not interested in correctness. I had/have questions I would've liked answered so I could understand how and/or why you stated what you stated regarding gaskets, the original air in the tires, and your definition of the word all.
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Coming from a person who shops the local Hardware stores for THEIR parts, I find your critique comical at best. Like I said in the beginning of my statement, I like to find the intent of strangers who come out of left field to play the semantics game. Here are a couple of posts from other threads that you have chimed in on:
YOUR QUOTE: “FWIW, I had a hard time finding them online, so I went to a great local Ace Hardware store (above and beyond what a normal Ace would stock) and found some heavy duty u-bolts for $3.00 or so each.”
YOUR QUOTE: “Make sure you measure the O.D. of the grey electrical conduit first. I had an old piece (at least five years ago) that was the perfect diameter, but it got tossed at some point. When I headed to Home Depot to buy another piece, the 3/4" plastic conduit's O.D. was too small. I ended up buying a piece of metal 3/4" conduit and it was the right O.D.”
You might want to get your own affairs in order before you become the “Mopar Police” telling people what they really meant concerning statements about their vehicles. Again, I stand on my original opening statement about “ALL” original components with no waver what so ever.
Ace Hardware? Home Depot? Thank you for your expertise and guidance on this project!
You make very bold statements, stressing how original this car is going to be, then have a problem when someone asks you to clarify you statement or explain something regarding said car's originality? Sorry, but not everyone's going to  your  and  just based on statements like "It even has the original air in all 5 tires". 
Yes, I bought four heavy-duty u-bolts from Ace Hardware and used of a piece of electrical conduit I bought from Home Depot, as a tool, to help install the countershaft in an A-833. I don't see any reason that I should need to defend myself for doing so. 
If you don't want to explain or answer some people's questions regarding statments you make, that's fine- it's completely your right to do so. Please understand that if you do make bold, absolute statements, that is an invitation to suspicion, and usually, in a public forum such as this, questions.
It's great that you are setting a very high standard for your project, but don't put yourself up to high in the process. 
Best of luck on your project. I'll be following along. 
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ah....the mention of "original air" was nothing more than a statement to stress how untouched and original the car is. Odd that you really needed to have that explained.
 
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: AllTrim Plus]
#137228
10/21/08 12:09 AM
10/21/08 12:09 AM
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David Walden
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My Unsolicted advice:
It will never cease to amaze me how some observers can watch the same ordeal and never have a clue as to the reality of the situation. You must have me confused with someone else posting on here Mike. I am extremely kind until someone decides to take a couple of punches just to stir the pot. Funny but you had to step right over the other garbage piles in order to call out my so called “attitude”. Imagine that Mike…I actually defend or counter the rude idiotic gestures that find their way into the scenario.
As far as your comment, “i think its mostly a bunch of hippocritcal windbags and a bunch of wanne be's, chicken S@&%'s”….. I believe you have officially become victim to your own critique and observations.
(The word is actually “hypocritical“. I hope your attention to detail is better represented in your line of work.)
Thanks for your sincere contribution here!
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: In_The_Pink]
#137229
10/21/08 12:28 AM
10/21/08 12:28 AM
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David Walden
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Please understand that if you do make bold, absolute statements, that is an invitation to suspicion, and usually, in a public forum such as this, questions.
Don't judge others by your short comings or inability to comprehend our project. I had another fine gentleman just like you tell us with the last car that we would be eating "crow" based on the comments we made about our goals with that particular vehicle. Why not just sit back and let us make fools of ourselves Mr. Pink?! That way you are sure to get the satisfaction you are trying so diligently to obtain.
In reality, you know why you are posting here and I know why you are posting here. You don't wish to find answers to your questions. You are interested in trying to under mine anything that your mind is not capable of comprehending or understanding. You simply want to argue. What you need to do is get a big box. Then go outside and collect as many rocks as you can fit inside the box. After you do that, proceed to argue with that box of rocks. Don't be surprised, at the end of the exercise, if you find that you have met your intellectual match!
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137231
10/21/08 10:05 AM
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Wilmington,NC
I go fast
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Please understand that if you do make bold, absolute statements, that is an invitation to suspicion, and usually, in a public forum such as this, questions.
Don't judge others by your short comings or inability to comprehend our project. I had another fine gentleman just like you tell us with the last car that we would be eating "crow" based on the comments we made about our goals with that particular vehicle. Why not just sit back and let us make fools of ourselves Mr. Pink?! That way you are sure to get the satisfaction you are trying so diligently to obtain.
In reality, you know why you are posting here and I know why you are posting here. You don't wish to find answers to your questions. You are interested in trying to under mine anything that your mind is not capable of comprehending or understanding. You simply want to argue. What you need to do is get a big box. Then go outside and collect as many rocks as you can fit inside the box. After you do that, proceed to argue with that box of rocks. Don't be surprised, at the end of the exercise, if you find that you have met your intellectual match!
Actually,what you need to do is go find a bigger pedestal than you now have put yourself on.As for AllTrim's suggestion,just go do the car,can't agree more!.Also,as a businessman,some of your statements are less than professional!
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: I go fast]
#137232
10/21/08 10:31 AM
10/21/08 10:31 AM
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David Walden
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some of your statements are less than professional!
You are actually right. I don't get paid to make those statements.
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: sixbbl69]
#137233
10/21/08 10:50 AM
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137234
10/21/08 11:43 AM
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Not trying to  Sounds like an interesting project! What will you use for parts if something needs to be replaced from a safety standpoint? Like a 40 year old rubber brake hose? Ed
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: Mr. Smurf]
#137235
10/21/08 12:00 PM
10/21/08 12:00 PM
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Not trying to Sounds like an interesting project!
What will you use for parts if something needs to be replaced from a safety standpoint? Like a 40 year old rubber brake hose?
Ed
Hello Ed! You bring up a very valid point. When we first looked the car over, everything appeared to be in excellent condition. The car has not been disassembled and we will not start that process until we have documented the vehicle with digital pictures and video. Our initial goal (as stated in my first post) was,
"Not a single reproduction part, not even (hopefully) an NOS part."
I am almost positive that we will not need to use any reproduction parts throughout this project. As we get into taking things apart (like the brake hoses for example) we will be able to evaluate those areas to a greater degree. If in fact we find that some parts cannot be used due to safety factors, they will be replaced with NOS originals. We are crossing our fingers that the "hopefully" part of the equation ends up taking precedence. Thank you for your input!!
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: autoxcuda]
#137236
10/21/08 06:30 PM
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Dave, Unless you build the car in an exact replica of the factory assembly plant and put it together using NOS assembly line tools, I for one will consider the project a total zero.  -Mike Mancini
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: Mike Mancini]
#137237
10/21/08 06:57 PM
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Dave, If you really intend to duplicate a 70's era American made car, you are going to have to hire some unskilled people with alcohol and drug problems. Make sure you keep them away from any machinery for the first two hours of their shift and anytime after breakfast, lunch or dinner, depending on which shift they work. Then be prepared to replace them on a weekly basis. Good luck with your project. 
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: sixbbl69]
#137238
10/22/08 01:08 PM
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its good to sit in a office while the hired help does the work.
I have to admit that I am envious of you sixbbl69. I had no idea you had it so easy. Having two different companies and building cars doesn't give me much idle time. Good to see someone can enjoy the easy life!
Back to the subject, here are a few pictures of the car and some of the original attributes. As you can see (Alan G. had inquired about this particular area) the engine paper tag has almost completely worn/torn away. It will need to be replaced. Again let me stress that we cannot restore original paper, gaskets, oil, grease or other related perishables. We should be able to use all the original parts to come up with a car that is factory "new" in appearance. Let me know if there are other specific areas that anyone would like see or inquire about. Thanks!
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
[Re: ECS]
#137240
10/22/08 02:31 PM
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When will images be posted of the car in it's current state?
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Re: TAKING IT TO THE "NEW" NEXT LEVEL!!
#137241
10/22/08 02:45 PM
10/22/08 02:45 PM
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Dallas, TX
70challrtse
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When will images be posted of the car in it's current state?
I think you just saw some.
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