Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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What damper was on the engine when it was on the dyno? Is the flywheel/clutch/pressure plate all new? Any chance the flywheel binds in the bellhousing? How about the bolts mounting the crank pulley?
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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07/30/12 01:09 AM
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the balancer can't really hold it, so I'd bet on flywheel bolts also. There is not alot of extra room there.
This is what I'm thinking now... the replacement of the bolts didn't occur to me until I started this thread, but the reason they were replaced is the builder lost the originals. I bet this is the reason. I'll dig in tomorrow.
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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07/30/12 01:43 AM
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What damper was on the engine when it was on the dyno? Is the flywheel/clutch/pressure plate all new? Any chance the flywheel binds in the bellhousing? How about the bolts mounting the crank pulley?
Thinking back... I think this damper was actually used in this last build, so that's not it (though I did add a different crank pulley. so I'll recheck that before I do anything).
Flywheel is the same, but the clutch/plate are new to this car.... under 400 miles, like new - leftover from another one of my cars. Flywheel clears the bell housing fine.
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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07/30/12 02:07 AM
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Make sure that the crank pulley bolts aren't too long and hitting the timing cover at the front seal.
I way going through my timing covers looking for one to clean up when I saw one the looked like the crank pulley bolts were tightened in to it (that or puller bolts were twisted into it).
Definitely check the flywheel bolts.
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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Typically the starter or a socket & breaker bar would cause long bolts attaching the pulley to chew up the timing cover but the engine would still turn & start/run..... So i agree probably the flywheel bolts are to long... You should be able to see that fairly well with the clutch cover removed you can see the crank flange & the rear main bearing/seal retainer cap...
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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07/30/12 04:36 AM
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Well, I can see the flange/bolts with the inspection cover removed and it doesn't seem the bolts are too long. They just barely make it through the flange.
The crank pulley bolts are short, so that can't be it either. Again, the trans is unbolted and pulled back to where the splines are not in the clutch anymore and this has been isolated to the motor. I don't want to pull the trans out, because it will require the removal of my AAR exhaust (pain in the butt), as well as the driveshaft loop, which is bolted to the body of the car.... just a bunch of reinstall headaches which seem unnecessary.
I can't really remember clearly, its been so long, but I may have removed the damper for painting... Would it be possible for me to have overtightened the damper to the point where it could be causing this? Long shot, but what about the distributor gear? Could I have jammed that with a careless install? If so, would it jam the motor up like this?
Other than that, I don't see what could possibly be causing this. It is REALLY stuck!
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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The damper shouldn't be able to lock the engine... Well the part that goes through the cover & the bolt going into the crank shouldn't... If anything is contacting the damper outside the cover it's possible.... Good luck, this sucks..
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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07/30/12 06:44 AM
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OK, perhaps this is a long shot, but is it possible the pressure plate cover is against the bell housing? Taller, installed before the bell? I did this once long ago, but on something else...using a non stock set up...?
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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I can't really remember clearly, its been so long, but I may have removed the damper for painting... Would it be possible for me to have overtightened the damper to the point where it could be causing this? Long shot, but what about the distributor gear? Could I have jammed that with a careless install? If so, would it jam the motor up like this?
Dampner being too tight wouldn't cause this , I'd start pulling off things that may cause the issue , pulley bolts , pop out the distributor , I had a pontiac iron duke that the roll pin holding the drive gear on can out and lockup up the cam , it sheared the key off that held the cam gear in place , if the pin that holds the drive gear to the oil pump shaft spit out for some reason it could lock up the motor.
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Re: Newly built motor won't budge. HELP!!!
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07/30/12 11:53 AM
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Pull the spark plugs...
Called the builder and this is what he said. I can fathom that water might have gotten behind the tape I used when pressure washing before painting.... I bet this works.
He said hammering the trans in wouldn't likely hurt anything.
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