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First off, only 3 people on planet Earth have ever seen a 427 SOHC

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I just found out that Im one of three people(I've seen three of them) AND a Hemi owner..and proud of it!
I must be truely special!

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Next you're gonna tell me you've seen the elusive dinosaur!!!

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There are two cars with the 427 SOHC in my area that I see. One is a 63 Galaxy that is done right as it looks like it came from the factory with it as the guy did a nice job with it. The other is an old hot rod as it looks to be about a 34 or so Ford with the Cammer. Let me tell you I was surprised to see that Cammer in that hot rod as thats the first time I have ever seen one in a hot rod and it got alot of attention. They did run strong when running right. Don Nicholsons Maverick in the 70 to 73 Era of Pro Stock could run with any of them when they had that cammer running right and not breaking parts. You gotta remember its a hemi with overhead cams. Here is a pic of the eng in the 63 Galaxy. Ron

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Very cool car.

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Have you ever been in cars with Boss 429, or Cleveland headed engines??? They have trouble falling out of a tree with their poorly balanced factory heads.

The big block chevy in stock iron head configuration is not the killer it is when you throw as much "chevy" as possible in the dumpster and bolt on as much aftermarket as possible.

And......I'll take my chances with a HEMI done right vs the um'.......Buick done right.

When it comes to stock blocks and heads, the ceiling is quite high compared to the "Brand X" crowd. A HEMI on "kill" (beyond a SS/AH build) with a factory block, heads and stroke can push the 2.5hp per inch range. Try that with a Max Wedge. As for the aftermarket....well, that's a whole different ballgame.

But of course you do realize that a HEMI engine also sits at the top of the aftermarket food chain, do you not???

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Well you see in the 50s and 60s Ford had a reputation for being an affordable but luxurious car. Good door close quality and craftsmanship were key selling points.

Many people concerned with such things don't enjoy the feel of torque. It pushes you around and gets rid of the smoothness. Ford attempted to compensate for this with goofy suspension compenents, such as 10 feet tall coil springs to absorb as much of the shock of the surrounding environment as possible, as well as the forces of acceleration.

But goofy suspension setups can only do so much. Their brilliant team of engineers turned to good old fashioned component mismatching to produce poorer throttle response than had ever been seen before (that is until the 302 powered Crown Victoria's of the late 70s).

With HUGE ports matched to the lower displacement engines, small ports matched to the larger engines, big cams with two barrel carburetors, huge carbs on small engines, low compression, small carbs on their hotest engines, single exhaust, and tall gears, Ford got the lack of throttle response they were after.

And the Windsor series of engines not only accomplished terrible throttle response, but it has an astounding ability to absolutely annihilate gasoline more inefficiently than any other machine ever produced by man.

But back to the main topic, HEMI IS KING.

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First off, only 3 people on planet Earth have ever seen a 427 SOHC

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I just found out that Im one of three people(I've seen three of them) AND a Hemi owner..and proud of it!
I must be truely special!

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Next you're gonna tell me you've seen the elusive dinosaur!!!

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There are two cars with the 427 SOHC in my area that I see. One is a 63 Galaxy that is done right as it looks like it came from the factory with it as the guy did a nice job with it. The other is an old hot rod as it looks to be about a 34 or so Ford with the Cammer. Let me tell you I was surprised to see that Cammer in that hot rod as thats the first time I have ever seen one in a hot rod and it got alot of attention. They did run strong when running right. Don Nicholsons Maverick in the 70 to 73 Era of Pro Stock could run with any of them when they had that cammer running right and not breaking parts. You gotta remember its a hemi with overhead cams. Here is a pic of the eng in the 63 Galaxy. Ron

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I'm in Danbury but I've never seen that thing running around, thats pretty cool though. I spend a lot of time down your way, you should come over to Bills Drive In on 111 on a Saturday night, small cruise but we get a fair amount of cool MoPars there.

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First off, only 3 people on planet Earth have ever seen a 427 SOHC

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I just found out that Im one of three people(I've seen three of them) AND a Hemi owner..and proud of it!
I must be truely special!

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Next you're gonna tell me you've seen the elusive dinosaur!!!

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To quote Connie Kalitta:The 427 SOHC is a great design for a "handgranade".The concept was great but development was not carried to profection for long term production.The cost and inherant design flaws made it short lived as a viable alternative to the Chrysler Hemis.

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Was a GREAT attempt from the FORD camp and it would have made for "severe" rivalry on both the tracks and the streets. NASCAR killed it from the left side and the LACK of ongoing development (on the block itself) killed it from the right side. The people who still run them successfully, had done their homework and do have techniques and improved designs to overcome the "flaws". But again ... it boils down to the money issue.

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Wow ...whats the chances that all three of us(383 man, GTX Matt and myself) are all on the same web board... truely amazing as for seeing a dinosaur...who hasnt?

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This joint is special.

I'm callin' Guinness!!!

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Wow ...whats the chances that all three of us(383 man, GTX Matt and myself) are all on the same web board... truely amazing as for seeing a dinosaur...who hasnt?

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Well that was actually Jim with the picture of that Galaxy running around, I've never seen that car but it is local. I HAVE seen the 34 Ford with the Cammer engine though, so that actually makes 4 of us who have seen one.

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Have you ever been in cars with Boss 429, or Cleveland headed engines??? They have trouble falling out of a tree with their poorly balanced factory heads.

The big block chevy in stock iron head configuration is not the killer it is when you throw as much "chevy" as possible in the dumpster and bolt on as much aftermarket as possible.

And......I'll take my chances with a HEMI done right vs the um'.......Buick done right.

When it comes to stock blocks and heads, the ceiling is quite high compared to the "Brand X" crowd. A HEMI on "kill" (beyond a SS/AH build) with a factory block, heads and stroke can push the 2.5hp per inch range. Try that with a Max Wedge. As for the aftermarket....well, that's a whole different ballgame.

But of course you do realize that a HEMI engine also sits at the top of the aftermarket food chain, do you not???

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Well you see in the 50s and 60s Ford had a reputation for being an affordable but luxurious car. Good door close quality and craftsmanship were key selling points.

Many people concerned with such things don't enjoy the feel of torque. It pushes you around and gets rid of the smoothness. Ford attempted to compensate for this with goofy suspension compenents, such as 10 feet tall coil springs to absorb as much of the shock of the surrounding environment as possible, as well as the forces of acceleration.

But goofy suspension setups can only do so much. Their brilliant team of engineers turned to good old fashioned component mismatching to produce poorer throttle response than had ever been seen before (that is until the 302 powered Crown Victoria's of the late 70s).

With HUGE ports matched to the lower displacement engines, small ports matched to the larger engines, big cams with two barrel carburetors, huge carbs on small engines, low compression, small carbs on their hotest engines, single exhaust, and tall gears, Ford got the lack of throttle response they were after.

And the Windsor series of engines not only accomplished terrible throttle response, but it has an astounding ability to absolutely annihilate gasoline more inefficiently than any other machine ever produced by man.

But back to the main topic, HEMI IS KING.

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OK.. I'll humor your "humor"! After ALL in the end, we're Moparites HERE. Hmm... Your HUMOR:

#1 Why would you DRIVE a "Cleveland or Boss 429 powered car up a tree? Driving skills must be that of a kid with a 3hp go-kart. Lot of hp and torque, can't fool around with it.

#2 to a point! It takes a very-skilled mind and top notch machine work to make power with a mostly stock Chevy engine.

#3 Buick engines get better and BIGGER every year!
And they ARE "right". Been giving the Mopar HEMI and WEDGE engines "headaches" for YEARS!

#4 Stock stroke, heads and factory block HEMI engine pushing 2.5 hp per ci? I believe the "production" RACE HEMI was rated in the 550-575 hp range, maybe 600 at it's absolute best. Max-wedges were
probably down 50-75 hp from the above figure...BUT they had ample mid range torque to run against the HEMI. On the track or street, the HEMI may get there first, but NOT BY MUCH!

#5 As far as being "at the top of of the aftermarket food chain" , the HEMI is surpassed by CHEVROLET!!

#6 AS far as the FORD issues are concerned, Fords TRUE "drawbacks" lie within three problem areas:

In the 50's, their cars had some power but most models were unattractive to buyers looking for performance sedans.

During the 60's' again they had performance but the cars were too large and weighty (most of their "hot" motors were in full size sedans). They did start the ponycar "trend" which is STILL successful today!




As far as their motor design flaws there are some BUT most, if not all, can be corrected with factory parts or the aftermarket. Ford is VERY close to CHEVY in terms of "aftermarket usage". And yes, despite their "shortcomings", MOST FORD
engines DO make power! The "Windsor-head" motor has become an excellent "base" for serious stroker motors. Just as the Mopar 340/360 is. Ok, it's gas guzzler , but I believe that "works" for ANYTHING "out-of-tune"!

Now, as far as the TOPIC is concerned, "HEMI IS KING"! I thought that it was read "HEMI VS WEDGE"! I don't remember ANY "landslide" victories, HERE!

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Have you ever been in cars with Boss 429, or Cleveland headed engines??? They have trouble falling out of a tree with their poorly balanced factory heads.

The big block chevy in stock iron head configuration is not the killer it is when you throw as much "chevy" as possible in the dumpster and bolt on as much aftermarket as possible.

And......I'll take my chances with a HEMI done right vs the um'.......Buick done right.

When it comes to stock blocks and heads, the ceiling is quite high compared to the "Brand X" crowd. A HEMI on "kill" (beyond a SS/AH build) with a factory block, heads and stroke can push the 2.5hp per inch range. Try that with a Max Wedge. As for the aftermarket....well, that's a whole different ballgame.

But of course you do realize that a HEMI engine also sits at the top of the aftermarket food chain, do you not???

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Well you see in the 50s and 60s Ford had a reputation for being an affordable but luxurious car. Good door close quality and craftsmanship were key selling points.

Many people concerned with such things don't enjoy the feel of torque. It pushes you around and gets rid of the smoothness. Ford attempted to compensate for this with goofy suspension compenents, such as 10 feet tall coil springs to absorb as much of the shock of the surrounding environment as possible, as well as the forces of acceleration.

But goofy suspension setups can only do so much. Their brilliant team of engineers turned to good old fashioned component mismatching to produce poorer throttle response than had ever been seen before (that is until the 302 powered Crown Victoria's of the late 70s).

With HUGE ports matched to the lower displacement engines, small ports matched to the larger engines, big cams with two barrel carburetors, huge carbs on small engines, low compression, small carbs on their hotest engines, single exhaust, and tall gears, Ford got the lack of throttle response they were after.

And the Windsor series of engines not only accomplished terrible throttle response, but it has an astounding ability to absolutely annihilate gasoline more inefficiently than any other machine ever produced by man.

But back to the main topic, HEMI IS KING.

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OK.. I'll humor your "humor"! After ALL in the end, we're Moparites HERE. Hmm... Your HUMOR:

#1 Why would you DRIVE a "Cleveland or Boss 429 powered car up a tree? Driving skills must be that of a kid with a 3hp go-kart. Lot of hp and torque, can't fool around with it.

#2 to a point! It takes a very-skilled mind and top notch machine work to make power with a mostly stock Chevy engine.

#3 Buick engines get better and BIGGER every year!
And they ARE "right". Been giving the Mopar HEMI and WEDGE engines "headaches" for YEARS!

#4 Stock stroke, heads and factory block HEMI engine pushing 2.5 hp per ci? I believe the "production" RACE HEMI was rated in the 550-575 hp range, maybe 600 at it's absolute best. Max-wedges were
probably down 50-75 hp from the above figure...BUT they had ample mid range torque to run against the HEMI. On the track or street, the HEMI may get there first, but NOT BY MUCH!

#5 As far as being "at the top of of the aftermarket food chain" , the HEMI is surpassed by CHEVROLET!!

#6 AS far as the FORD issues are concerned, Fords TRUE "drawbacks" lie within three problem areas:

In the 50's, their cars had some power but most models were unattractive to buyers looking for performance sedans.

During the 60's' again they had performance but the cars were too large and weighty (most of their "hot" motors were in full size sedans). They did start the ponycar "trend" which is STILL successful today!




As far as their motor design flaws there are some BUT most, if not all, can be corrected with factory parts or the aftermarket. Ford is VERY close to CHEVY in terms of "aftermarket usage". And yes, despite their "shortcomings", MOST FORD
engines DO make power! The "Windsor-head" motor has become an excellent "base" for serious stroker motors. Just as the Mopar 340/360 is. Ok, it's gas guzzler , but I believe that "works" for ANYTHING "out-of-tune"!

Now, as far as the TOPIC is concerned, "HEMI IS KING"! I thought that it was read "HEMI VS WEDGE"! I don't remember ANY "landslide" victories, HERE!

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Have you ever been in cars with Boss 429, or Cleveland headed engines??? They have trouble falling out of a tree with their poorly balanced factory heads.

The big block chevy in stock iron head configuration is not the killer it is when you throw as much "chevy" as possible in the dumpster and bolt on as much aftermarket as possible.

And......I'll take my chances with a HEMI done right vs the um'.......Buick done right.

When it comes to stock blocks and heads, the ceiling is quite high compared to the "Brand X" crowd. A HEMI on "kill" (beyond a SS/AH build) with a factory block, heads and stroke can push the 2.5hp per inch range. Try that with a Max Wedge. As for the aftermarket....well, that's a whole different ballgame.

But of course you do realize that a HEMI engine also sits at the top of the aftermarket food chain, do you not???

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Well you see in the 50s and 60s Ford had a reputation for being an affordable but luxurious car. Good door close quality and craftsmanship were key selling points.

Many people concerned with such things don't enjoy the feel of torque. It pushes you around and gets rid of the smoothness. Ford attempted to compensate for this with goofy suspension compenents, such as 10 feet tall coil springs to absorb as much of the shock of the surrounding environment as possible, as well as the forces of acceleration.

But goofy suspension setups can only do so much. Their brilliant team of engineers turned to good old fashioned component mismatching to produce poorer throttle response than had ever been seen before (that is until the 302 powered Crown Victoria's of the late 70s).

With HUGE ports matched to the lower displacement engines, small ports matched to the larger engines, big cams with two barrel carburetors, huge carbs on small engines, low compression, small carbs on their hotest engines, single exhaust, and tall gears, Ford got the lack of throttle response they were after.

And the Windsor series of engines not only accomplished terrible throttle response, but it has an astounding ability to absolutely annihilate gasoline more inefficiently than any other machine ever produced by man.

But back to the main topic, HEMI IS KING.

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OK.. I'll humor your "humor"! After ALL in the end, we're Moparites HERE. Hmm... Your HUMOR:

#1 Why would you DRIVE a "Cleveland or Boss 429 powered car up a tree? Driving skills must be that of a kid with a 3hp go-kart. Lot of hp and torque, can't fool around with it.

#2 to a point! It takes a very-skilled mind and top notch machine work to make power with a mostly stock Chevy engine.

#3 Buick engines get better and BIGGER every year!
And they ARE "right". Been giving the Mopar HEMI and WEDGE engines "headaches" for YEARS!

#4 Stock stroke, heads and factory block HEMI engine pushing 2.5 hp per ci? I believe the "production" RACE HEMI was rated in the 550-575 hp range, maybe 600 at it's absolute best. Max-wedges were
probably down 50-75 hp from the above figure...BUT they had ample mid range torque to run against the HEMI. On the track or street, the HEMI may get there first, but NOT BY MUCH!

#5 As far as being "at the top of of the aftermarket food chain" , the HEMI is surpassed by CHEVROLET!!

#6 AS far as the FORD issues are concerned, Fords TRUE "drawbacks" lie within three problem areas:

In the 50's, their cars had some power but most models were unattractive to buyers looking for performance sedans.

During the 60's' again they had performance but the cars were too large and weighty (most of their "hot" motors were in full size sedans). They did start the ponycar "trend" which is STILL successful today!




As far as their motor design flaws there are some BUT most, if not all, can be corrected with factory parts or the aftermarket. Ford is VERY close to CHEVY in terms of "aftermarket usage". And yes, despite their "shortcomings", MOST FORD
engines DO make power! The "Windsor-head" motor has become an excellent "base" for serious stroker motors. Just as the Mopar 340/360 is. Ok, it's gas guzzler , but I believe that "works" for ANYTHING "out-of-tune"!

Now, as far as the TOPIC is concerned, "HEMI IS KING"! I thought that it was read "HEMI VS WEDGE"! I don't remember ANY "landslide" victories, HERE!

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OK, lets go over this again, because its been a while now...

What production engine could you name me that in 1975, with an unlightened car(3500#) could run a best of 10.30's@134MPH with the following mods.

Non stroke 426ci
stock block
stock oil system
untouched heads.
stock rockers.
stock crank & rods
stock 4 speed trans -no slick shift
stock Dana 60.

Mods limiited to:
-12.5:1 pistons. Balance assembly.
-Aftermarket intake(Rat Roaster-No mods)
-reworked stock carbs
-Racer Brown solid cam 70's technology.
-Headers 2-1/8 tube.
-Dual point distributor
-Holley Red pump.
-4.88 Gears.


Those mods on any of the other brand X stuff might get you into the 11's if you are lucky. A 427 Corvette would get you into the 10's, but we all know how many inherent advantages the actual "car" has so its more the car than the motor there.

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Have you ever been in cars with Boss 429, or Cleveland headed engines??? They have trouble falling out of a tree with their poorly balanced factory heads.

The big block chevy in stock iron head configuration is not the killer it is when you throw as much "chevy" as possible in the dumpster and bolt on as much aftermarket as possible.

And......I'll take my chances with a HEMI done right vs the um'.......Buick done right.

When it comes to stock blocks and heads, the ceiling is quite high compared to the "Brand X" crowd. A HEMI on "kill" (beyond a SS/AH build) with a factory block, heads and stroke can push the 2.5hp per inch range. Try that with a Max Wedge. As for the aftermarket....well, that's a whole different ballgame.

But of course you do realize that a HEMI engine also sits at the top of the aftermarket food chain, do you not???

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Well you see in the 50s and 60s Ford had a reputation for being an affordable but luxurious car. Good door close quality and craftsmanship were key selling points.

Many people concerned with such things don't enjoy the feel of torque. It pushes you around and gets rid of the smoothness. Ford attempted to compensate for this with goofy suspension compenents, such as 10 feet tall coil springs to absorb as much of the shock of the surrounding environment as possible, as well as the forces of acceleration.

But goofy suspension setups can only do so much. Their brilliant team of engineers turned to good old fashioned component mismatching to produce poorer throttle response than had ever been seen before (that is until the 302 powered Crown Victoria's of the late 70s).

With HUGE ports matched to the lower displacement engines, small ports matched to the larger engines, big cams with two barrel carburetors, huge carbs on small engines, low compression, small carbs on their hotest engines, single exhaust, and tall gears, Ford got the lack of throttle response they were after.

And the Windsor series of engines not only accomplished terrible throttle response, but it has an astounding ability to absolutely annihilate gasoline more inefficiently than any other machine ever produced by man.

But back to the main topic, HEMI IS KING.

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OK.. I'll humor your "humor"! After ALL in the end, we're Moparites HERE. Hmm... Your HUMOR:

#1 Why would you DRIVE a "Cleveland or Boss 429 powered car up a tree? Driving skills must be that of a kid with a 3hp go-kart. Lot of hp and torque, can't fool around with it.

#2 to a point! It takes a very-skilled mind and top notch machine work to make power with a mostly stock Chevy engine.

#3 Buick engines get better and BIGGER every year!
And they ARE "right". Been giving the Mopar HEMI and WEDGE engines "headaches" for YEARS!

#4 Stock stroke, heads and factory block HEMI engine pushing 2.5 hp per ci? I believe the "production" RACE HEMI was rated in the 550-575 hp range, maybe 600 at it's absolute best. Max-wedges were
probably down 50-75 hp from the above figure...BUT they had ample mid range torque to run against the HEMI. On the track or street, the HEMI may get there first, but NOT BY MUCH!

#5 As far as being "at the top of of the aftermarket food chain" , the HEMI is surpassed by CHEVROLET!!

#6 AS far as the FORD issues are concerned, Fords TRUE "drawbacks" lie within three problem areas:

In the 50's, their cars had some power but most models were unattractive to buyers looking for performance sedans.

During the 60's' again they had performance but the cars were too large and weighty (most of their "hot" motors were in full size sedans). They did start the ponycar "trend" which is STILL successful today!




As far as their motor design flaws there are some BUT most, if not all, can be corrected with factory parts or the aftermarket. Ford is VERY close to CHEVY in terms of "aftermarket usage". And yes, despite their "shortcomings", MOST FORD
engines DO make power! The "Windsor-head" motor has become an excellent "base" for serious stroker motors. Just as the Mopar 340/360 is. Ok, it's gas guzzler , but I believe that "works" for ANYTHING "out-of-tune"!

Now, as far as the TOPIC is concerned, "HEMI IS KING"! I thought that it was read "HEMI VS WEDGE"! I don't remember ANY "landslide" victories, HERE!

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OK, lets go over this again, because its been a while now...

What production engine could you name me that in 1975, with an unlightened car(3500#) could run a best of 10.30's@134MPH with the following mods.

Non stroke 426ci
stock block
stock oil system
untouched heads.
stock rockers.
stock crank & rods
stock 4 speed trans -no slick shift
stock Dana 60.

Mods limiited to:
-12.5:1 pistons. Balance assembly.
-Aftermarket intake(Rat Roaster-No mods)
-reworked stock carbs
-Racer Brown solid cam 70's technology.
-Headers 2-1/8 tube.
-Dual point distributor
-Holley Red pump.
-4.88 Gears.


Those mods on any of the other brand X stuff might get you into the 11's if you are lucky. A 427 Corvette would get you into the 10's, but we all know how many inherent advantages the actual "car" has so its more the car than the motor there.

MB

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well it's NOT 1975 and when you bring your $5500 (what I have in my 440) Hemi to the track let me know, I'll line up w/ you.

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