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I take the covers off after every single round, and check springs every fifth or so, things happen on these motors and you need to keep an eye on things.
hope it works out for you

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This thing had a very slow lobe. 36 degrees difference from .020 to .050. Not the aggressive lobes run by so many. This is a bracket motor and we have run three rounds within 15 -20 minutes before so running the valves after every pass just isn't practical. We can put 20 passes on it in 2 days of racing....especially if double entered. I thought lashing the valves every 20 passes was a pretty safe number with this mild cam. New profile is more aggressive so I will change this routine to suit.

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Well I believe the point here was the OP was tryinig to inform folks of an experience he had with a builder. We see good ones posted all the time here. but rarely the not so good ones. I think after reading all this we can see why. I have no issue with him just taking his stuff somewhere else. I have been in this business for a long time and it happens a lot.

Some people like myself do not like to complain. If we feel we have been treated unfairly or not given what we pay for or feel the level of service is subpar we simply move on and not patronize the business again. The best protest in my opinion is to withold your money from said business. I know that is what I do, live and learn. I will however share my experience with anyone that wants to listen.

His decision to not go back to Shady Dell is his decision. I dont hear him asking to be made whole again. Although I am sure he would cetainly be appreciative. I think the entire point was to share his experience. We have heard both sides of the issue and can all draw our own conclusions.

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well I just hate to see stuff like this, and I don't blame Brian for anything he has done. If some guy claims to be a race engine BUILDER , and we are saying race engine. talking the dyno language as if that would have prevented this problem or blaming the lifters. I would not use any part in a RACE motor if I was not %100 confident in that part. If I build a motor and claim to be a Race engine builder and blame the customer for any part I ultimately used then its my fault period. Be responsible for your own definition of who you are. Be responsible. If you ask for fish and get a skunk you will still have some bone head say you deserve the skunk my buddy is the best skunk cook around. NUF SAID

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"The biggest reason I didn't contact Ryan was that I was originally taking the heads off for an upgraded port and only seen the lifter parts. Figured that I was going to replace them anyway and yes they were used so why would Ryan do anything about that? The rest of the findings were progressive and got expensive quickly."

So how many passes were made with the broken roller? You didnt detect a skip or a drop in performance?
Alrighty.

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If john force blows a motor who cares but at the local tracks I hate to see a racer loose a motor. valve train is no place to save money. All im saying as a racing engine builder I would NOT build a motor and let it leave my shop with inferior parts. especially valve train. But worse has happened. Im sure this is a good experience for anyone who has followed this post. If building a RACE motor never skimp and use a builder who is very disciplined. Used parts mabe ok for street hot rod , but never a good idea for serious racing. Plus how much can you save on used lifters ( if that was the problem ). Its just to bad for everyone, but especially the racer. he is out for $6500. Im out of here , good luck in the future.

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I don't even trust my wife, and I sleep with her every night...trust my engine builder, uhh no, but I still expect to get quality service for my money...

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..... ..... ..... now that I have injected some bad humor, Hears my ...... I feel for the OP on a failed engine... but maybe used rollers were not a good choice.... I also feel for all the Moparts people who will probably not benefit from RJs future posts... I know that I have learned a lot over the years and I thank him for that

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Hey instigator, what has your car run just out of curiousity...........



Was going 5.60's bout 5 years ago with my edelbrock headed smallblock......took a hiatus for a while while I became more involved with wife/new son,family business, and general life.....got car back out again a year ago with about 200 more hp and burnt up the 727 in 5 passes, that I built, going more mph with 6-7 lbs less boost.....I have picked up a new ride, an 87 5th avenue that I am slowly working on and shoehorning the motor into!

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NICE.......... As for the new car, you are a cccrrraaazzzyyy man...........and I like it!

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"The biggest reason I didn't contact Ryan was that I was originally taking the heads off for an upgraded port and only seen the lifter parts. Figured that I was going to replace them anyway and yes they were used so why would Ryan do anything about that? The rest of the findings were progressive and got expensive quickly."

So how many passes were made with the broken roller? You didnt detect a skip or a drop in performance?
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I read your response, you state "by looking at the invoice..". I keep notes the whole time I am building an engine, as to any problems, things I have doubts/questions about, etc. It is not on a computer, it is hand written, dated, hour of the day, etc. This has saved me alot of problems over the years. If a customer has a problem with something, or thinks he is having a problem with something, or sees something a year later that he thinks is becoming a problem, I can look back at my notes and usually have a good idea what is happening. I am not busting anybody's chops here, just saying that I need more information than their old invoice when I talk to them. You can be 'REAL' sure, if any used parts, supplied by the customer, were involved in my builds, there will be notes to show that and any reccomendations I gave at the time. Hope this all works out. I have always said, "satisfied customers are never heard from, but, one unhappy customer is heard 'round the world".

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I take the covers off after every single round, and check springs every fifth or so, things happen on these motors and you need to keep an eye on things.
hope it works out for you

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any new motor should be checked very close just to find any booboos.

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If you are paying your hard earned money to an engine builder for a complete ready to go engine I would expect that things are machined and assembled correctly. In this case that is not what happened. Parts failures happen, but errors and damaged parts caused from incorrect machining, or incorrect assembly or lack of attention to detail are unacceptable. I know when we do work for customers if it is not right we make it right, at the agreed cost. Even if that means we do not make any money on the job. Right is right period.

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A good name is able to be chosen.

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You can't hardly pay some people
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