Re: Sales Order Number translations
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It's a one of one and part of my current research.
Was it in MCG? ;-)
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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Been doing a lot of research lately on VON numbers and am seeing a pattern that certain regions got pads of order forms that were very close. I believe that the regional office gave out the order pads to the dealers so if cars are from the same region they should have close VON's. This is not a hard and fast rule however, let me give some examples, these are all 1970 Dart's built at the Windsor Plant:
1970 Dodge Dart 4 Door, LH41C0R, SPD B14, sold at Pauley Motors in Shelton, WA - VON is 071482 1970 Dodge Dart 2 Door, LH23G0R, SPD B18, sold at Valley Motors in Auburn, WA - VON is 071523
As you can see very close VON numbers and both were ordered cars. Next example that is just going to confuse people because the VON's are way off from the same dealer:
1970 Dodge Dart 4 Door, LH41C0R, SPD 204, Sold at Tacoma Dodge in Tacoma, WA - VON is 092891 1970 Dodge Dart 4 Door, LH41C0R, SPD 212, Sold at Pauley Motors in Shelton, WA - VON is 093058
It looks like NW cars had at least two different pads of numbers to go from, Pauley Motors also had VON's of 093055, SPD B07, 071463, SPD B14, 093056, SPD 410, 093057, SPD 430, and 093059, SPD 525 which were all 1970 Dodge Dart's. Barry Washington has told me that Mr. Norm's also had two different runs of VON's as well.
If anybody has any dealer paperwork from a 1970 Dart with VON's that are close I'd love to see them. The key is knowing what dealer they came from.
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
[Re: Furyman]
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02/20/12 09:47 PM
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Now I know why they call them spreadsheets....mine keep getting wider. I put a couple more columns in,one for dealer # and the other for dealer name...now they are 20 columns wide.Only problem is I have to backtrack and see if I have dealer info on the 7 or 8 thousand that are already on spreadsheets. We need more goodies like this invoice. It's absolutely loaded with info. I wonder if Gloria is related to Frank
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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02/20/12 11:03 PM
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So this Chally is probably from the same dealership.
maybe not ..... If the Challenger is a Y14 "sold" car (ordered at a dealership) it is probably from the pacific northwest. Its VON similarity to the Darts Tom posted is coincedence.
Similar VONs need to be organized based on the car "model", based on the Order Forms the salesmen used to sell cars. Dart had its own form. Challenger had its own form. My Y14 '70 Challenger R/T has a 076823 VON. I've found a number of 076xxx VON'd Challengers & they appear to be from the pacific northwest also.
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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02/20/12 11:11 PM
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So this Chally is probably from the same dealership.
Fake tag, someone guessed at that VON.
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
[Re: 6bblgt]
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Hmmm...I'm I know what your saying but I've never seen (69-71) a duplicate VON.I'm sure I have got some different model cars sold at the same dealership with consecutive VON's.
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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Similar VONs need to be organized based on the car "model", based on the Order Forms the salesmen used to sell cars. Dart had its own form. Challenger had its own form.
Exactly, you can not compare VON numbers across model lines. Some cars had the same VON, but if you see the same VON on the same type & model year car them one of them is a fake or a typo.
Here are two examples of 1970 Hamtramck cars with the same last six of the VON, one AAR Cuda & one Duster.
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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02/20/12 11:27 PM
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Here's the same month from '69 Lynch Rd. that tallzag & I have been working on. - we should put the two together.
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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02/20/12 11:44 PM
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Neat ! I've been putting fender tag codes in my comments section.There must be a way to link the database to all the fendertag jpegs on our hardrives right ?
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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02/21/12 12:00 AM
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Check these 3 out.All sold at the same dealership ...C3969 McCallum and Wilson. 1. Order # C31622 SPD A10 XS29U0G 2. Order # C31625 SPD A17 LH23C0R 3. Order # C31631 SPD B14 JS23V0B
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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02/21/12 12:08 AM
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The Challenger. When you think about it ..there are over 1 million VON's available per year...999,999 numeric and then the alpha numeric....no need to duplicate.
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Re: Sales Order Number translations
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02/21/12 12:21 AM
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Check these 3 out.All sold at the same dealership ...C3969 McCallum and Wilson. 1. Order # C31622 SPD A10 XS29U0G 2. Order # C31625 SPD A17 LH23C0R 3. Order # C31631 SPD B14 JS23V0B
Chrysler Canada's order forms must have been different format than the ones used in the US. Do you have copies of any?
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