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Factory Paint #1128199 12/05/11 05:40 PM 12/05/11 05:40 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Hi Guys, We have an International article coming out that details many of the procedures we used for the Valiant Project. One area that always seems to solicit attention and questions is the process that we used to get a correct assembly line paint finish. Here is a photo that displays a look of the baked, single stage paint process that came on 1970 Chrysler vehicles. Besides having an orange peel finish, it also has to possess the sheen and luster that accompanies a baked process. The article will explain the measures and steps taken to achieve a correct Chrysler Paint Job. It is possible to get a factory look without having to run your car through a professional type paint booth.

Re: Factory Paint #1128200 12/05/11 07:28 PM 12/05/11 07:28 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,169 Richmond, VA R rayztoy super stock
rayztoy super stock R Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,169 Richmond, VA	Awesome Tom! Where could said article be found?

Re: Factory Paint [Re: rayztoy] #1128201 12/05/11 10:05 PM 12/05/11 10:05 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	France, judging from the caption. BTW, any info the OP would like to share to get as-new results I'm happy about!

Re: Factory Paint [Re: rayztoy] #1128202 12/05/11 10:29 PM 12/05/11 10:29 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: Awesome Tom! Where could said article be found? Hi All, This is a peak at a multipage article that is scheduled to publish in Europe after the first of the year with US publication after that. We'll work toward getting a translated copy of the European article when it publishes. Stay tuned !!

Re: Factory Paint #1128203 12/05/11 11:48 PM 12/05/11 11:48 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA M Morty426 master
Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Tom - any news on the Valiant coffee book?

Re: Factory Paint [Re: Morty426] #1128204 12/09/11 12:59 AM 12/09/11 12:59 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 636 California S sixpaktoogo mopar
sixpaktoogo mopar S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 636 California	Hey Tom, I heard a rumor regarding a new 4 door project. Care to fill us in? Thanks, Dan

Re: Factory Paint [Re: sixpaktoogo] #1128205 12/09/11 01:20 AM 12/09/11 01:20 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,005 Reno, Nevada NV69B7RR master
NV69B7RR master Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,005 Reno, Nevada	Quote: Hey Tom, I heard a rumor regarding a new 4 door project. Care to fill us in? ?? Please tell me you're going all out on a Mexican Dart so you can really screw with the Judges!! 72 Demon 340 71 Duster 340 Resto https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1

Re: Factory Paint [Re: NV69B7RR] #1128206 12/09/11 06:37 PM 12/09/11 06:37 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 636 California S sixpaktoogo mopar
sixpaktoogo mopar S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 636 California	Come on Tom, don't be shy!

Re: Factory Paint [Re: sixpaktoogo] #1128207 12/09/11 07:57 PM 12/09/11 07:57 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: Hey Tom, I heard a rumor regarding a new 4 door project. Care to fill us in? Thanks, Dan Hi everyone, By the end of the year we should be mostly complete with the body in white for our latest 4 door project. It will be a " clone of 1 " if you would. Concept Cuda will be a realization of what was once prototyped but never officially approved for production... the 1970 Cuda 4dr. Here is a rough sketch of "Concept Cuda"

Re: Factory Paint #1128208 12/09/11 11:29 PM 12/09/11 11:29 PM
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lahatte enthusiast Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 392 Mississippi	Wow! That's pretty goofy. Should be an interesting project.

Re: Factory Paint [Re: lahatte] #1128209 12/09/11 11:47 PM 12/09/11 11:47 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 709 St Louis, MO 63026 convx4 super stock
convx4 super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 709 St Louis, MO 63026	You should make it with a single drivers door. With two doors on the pass side. Last edited by convx4; 12/09/11 11:49 PM.

Re: Factory Paint #1128210 12/09/11 11:54 PM 12/09/11 11:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 293 boogie down bronx, ny S stevenjuliano enthusiast
stevenjuliano enthusiast S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 293 boogie down bronx, ny	Hi Tom....That photo you posted of the valiants paint really captured what i saw in person the night I stopped by. The finish is EXACTLY what was on the car from new. I wonder even if any of us could achieve such correctness if we would choose to do so?? I know that none of my cars have anything close to that correct day one look you achieved. maybe ive spent too many years around concept cars and their ultra slick finishes? i dont know what it is excpet highly contradictory on my part,LOL! In the ac cobra world the cars were originally painted by a bunch of drunks in the UK in nitro cellulose lacquer with overspray EVERYWHERE. then they got a nice dose of union dock workers and the tender love and care those bums showed. so most cobras were resprayed and/or touched up again here in the states. add to that these union dock workers used to step on some of these aluminum cars so that added to more bodywork and paint all prior to delivery. im not sure why im babbling about this....maybe im dreaming of what dave and the boys would do if they restored a cobra? i could see tom and dave now trying to figure out what type of shoe they wore on the docks in '63 so they can determine the size and shape of the dent....

Re: Factory Paint [Re: Morty426] #1128211 12/09/11 11:56 PM 12/09/11 11:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,821 New State kidmopar master
kidmopar master Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,821 New State	Quote: Tom - any news on the Valiant coffee book?

Re: Factory Paint [Re: NV69B7RR] #1128212 12/09/11 11:58 PM 12/09/11 11:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman super gas
JulesdaWiperman super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	I was so pleased to be part of the Valiant project in a small way ( wiper motor and latches). I am looking forward to the 4 door project in a big way. Dave, your special wiper motor is in the works for the 4 door. You should have it next week. Good luck and can't wait to see it. Jules

Re: Factory Paint [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #1128213 12/10/11 02:05 AM 12/10/11 02:05 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis HemiRick master
HemiRick master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,848 Memphis	I have 2 70 E bodies with original paint and neither one of them have nearly that much orange peal. Take care, Rick 68 Coronet R/T 440 & 68 Charger 528 Hemi,and 5 Challengers! 6 cyl, 318, 360, 383, 451

Re: Factory Paint [Re: stevenjuliano] #1128214 12/10/11 02:27 AM 12/10/11 02:27 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: Hi Tom....That photo you posted of the valiants paint really captured what i saw in person the night I stopped by. The finish is EXACTLY what was on the car from new. I wonder even if any of us could achieve such correctness if we would choose to do so?? I know that none of my cars have anything close to that correct day one look you achieved. maybe ive spent too many years around concept cars and their ultra slick finishes? i dont know what it is excpet highly contradictory on my part,LOL! In the ac cobra world the cars were originally painted by a bunch of drunks in the UK in nitro cellulose lacquer with overspray EVERYWHERE. then they got a nice dose of union dock workers and the tender love and care those bums showed. so most cobras were resprayed and/or touched up again here in the states. add to that these union dock workers used to step on some of these aluminum cars so that added to more bodywork and paint all prior to delivery. im not sure why im babbling about this....maybe im dreaming of what dave and the boys would do if they restored a cobra? i could see tom and dave now trying to figure out what type of shoe they wore on the docks in '63 so they can determine the size and shape of the dent.... Hi Steven It sounds like the cobras went through a "multi step" paint process during assembly and shipping. During the SEMA show this year Ford displayed Carroll Shelbys unrestored Cobra #1 that started the company. Dave and I were fortunate enough to be in the Ford Display when they brought the car in and had the opportunity to walkaround it before they set up the ropes. It shows wear and use that you would expect from a development car and Carroll has kept the car all these years. I'll post some pictures next week of this iconic vehicle. I'm told the car is not for sale and offers with lots of 000's have been turned down.

Re: Factory Paint [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #1128215 12/10/11 03:15 AM 12/10/11 03:15 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Quote: I was so pleased to be part of the Valiant project in a small way ( wiper motor and latches). I am looking forward to the 4 door project in a big way. Dave, your special wiper motor is in the works for the 4 door. You should have it next week. Good luck and can't wait to see it. Jules Hi Jules, Great to speak to you the other day. We're excited about the special wiper motor for Concept Cuda. You'll see some unique stuff on the Cuda including some new products we're developing for the market.Concepts are unusual vehicles - some make it and some don't fit the market at the time. Did you know Ford was also working on a 4 dr Mustang . How many people know you can buy a new Jeep Wrangler PICKUP from a Chrysler dealer today?

Re: Factory Paint #1128216 12/10/11 01:55 PM 12/10/11 01:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 293 boogie down bronx, ny S stevenjuliano enthusiast
stevenjuliano enthusiast S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 293 boogie down bronx, ny	Hi Steven It sounds like the cobras went through a "multi step" paint process during assembly and shipping. During the SEMA show this year Ford displayed Carroll Shelbys unrestored Cobra #1 that started the company. Dave and I were fortunate enough to be in the Ford Display when they brought the car in and had the opportunity to walkaround it before they set up the ropes. It shows wear and use that you would expect from a development car and Carroll has kept the car all these years. I'll post some pictures next week of this iconic vehicle. I'm told the car is not for sale and offers with lots of 000's have been turned down. Tom....funny you mention csx2000 and paint. if memory serves me right that car was on the cover of many magazines that first year. on each cover it was a different color. $helby wanted to make it look like he had many finished cars so they kept repainting that one over and over again...Steven

Re: Factory Paint [Re: HemiRick] #1128217 12/10/11 03:02 PM 12/10/11 03:02 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 243 St. Louis, MO DodgeMaterial enthusiast
DodgeMaterial enthusiast Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 243 St. Louis, MO	Quote: I have 2 70 E bodies with original paint and neither one of them have nearly that much orange peal. Many cars with original paint have lost their factory paint texture due to 40 years of waxing and washing... every wax job takes some paint off and smooths things out. We started with a 10,000 mile car and even it had some thin spots on the top edges of the fenders/quarters. In spite of that - there was significant texture (orange peel) to the original paint- especially the sides. When the trunk applique was removed and the virgin paint under it was exposed, it was very evident of how much orange peel was originally there - and how much had been smoothed out on the areas not covered by the applique. I took a digital mil gauge to every panel and documented the thicknesses. On average there was about 3 mils +/- 1 mil. Steve Been did a masterful job of matching the original paint characteristics of this car. I have seen some nice factory paint jobs (like yours sounds like) - but they were not all that nice! Trust me - I have spent enough time in our plants to know. Dave DodgeMaterial - Dave JS29U0B - FK5 - 440-4 Auto WS23V0A - EB5 - 440-6 Auto

Re: Factory Paint [Re: HemiRick] #1128218 12/10/11 04:24 PM 12/10/11 04:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 454 PNW B Beebuzzn mopar
Beebuzzn mopar B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 454 PNW	Quote: I have 2 70 E bodies with original paint and neither one of them have nearly that much orange peal. I have had a few low mile original paint cars 1967-1972 that the paint was not cared for, buffed and waxed. They had lots of runs in various areas, but the paint was laid down better than what I see in the picture above. Maybe it is just the way the picture shows it on my screen.

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