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First runs of Indy headed SB #1082732 09/25/11 11:17 PM 09/25/11 11:17 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada W Wedgeman OP pro stock
Wedgeman OP pro stock W Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada	Hey guys ! After lots of troubles and wrenching this summer, was finally able to do a couple of passes, best for the first night of 7.47 on a 1/8 mile track (4 runs in the evening). Bad 1.666 60 ft I know It can do a lot better ! With a few mods I wil do this week, post your comments on the combo and help go the right direction.. 1967 barracuda 3300lbs with driver 408 sb 10.7:1 cr Indy 360-1 heads 218 int runner 343 cfm ported Indy intake , 800 cfm holley #37 shooters,msd ign and coil 1 7/8 headers 1.6 rocker solid roller cam 255/263 @ .050 904 rebuilt trans low gearset 3800 stall 3.91 rear 28in drag slicks 9in wide super stock spring with rancho shock set at 4 elect fan and water pump shifting at 6200 rpm any input to do better ! Dan Last edited by Wedgeman; 09/25/11 11:18 PM.

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: Wedgeman] #1082733 09/25/11 11:39 PM 09/25/11 11:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc E emarine01 master
emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	6200 seems around 500 low to me for a head that flows 343 on 408 cubes

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: Wedgeman] #1082734 09/26/11 02:15 AM 09/26/11 02:15 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	Quote: Hey guys ! After lots of troubles and wrenching this summer, was finally able to do a couple of passes, best for the first night of 7.47 on a 1/8 mile track (4 runs in the evening). Bad 1.666 60 ft I know It can do a lot better ! With a few mods I wil do this week, post your comments on the combo and help go the right direction.. 1967 barracuda 3300lbs with driver 408 sb 10.7:1 cr Indy 360-1 heads 218 int runner 343 cfm ported Indy intake , 800 cfm holley #37 shooters,msd ign and coil 1 7/8 headers 1.6 rocker solid roller cam 255/263 @ .050 904 rebuilt trans low gearset 3800 stall 3.91 rear 28in drag slicks 9in wide super stock spring with rancho shock set at 4 elect fan and water pump shifting at 6200 rpm any input to do better ! Dan With a cam like that i would think you'd need a higher flash stall, like somewhere around 4800. That 3800 is most likely your 60ft. issues, At 3300 lbs. & a combo like that you should be running 6.8-6.9s 1/8 mile, just to give you an example, there is a member on here with a 71 Swinger, its race weight is just below 3300 lbs., He is running a "junkyard" 360 magnum with EQ heads & a bone stock bottom end, 9.5.1, a smaller cam, around a 4200 stall, 4.10 gears & a 750dp & runs 7.4s. 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: emarine01] #1082735 09/26/11 02:21 AM 09/26/11 02:21 AM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon V viperblue72 top fuel
viperblue72 top fuel V Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,141 junction city oregon	Combo looks good. You should be shifting at 7k rpm. Even with a bad 60ft you should be well in the 10s with everything sorted out.

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: viperblue72] #1082736 09/26/11 11:00 AM 09/26/11 11:00 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas dannysbee master
dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	What was you MPH in the 1/8? Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: joedust451] #1082737 09/26/11 11:07 AM 09/26/11 11:07 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,104 Wheels up, MO N nhramark master
nhramark master N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,104 Wheels up, MO	Quote: Quote: Hey guys ! After lots of troubles and wrenching this summer, was finally able to do a couple of passes, best for the first night of 7.47 on a 1/8 mile track (4 runs in the evening). Bad 1.666 60 ft I know It can do a lot better ! With a few mods I wil do this week, post your comments on the combo and help go the right direction.. 1967 barracuda 3300lbs with driver 408 sb 10.7:1 cr Indy 360-1 heads 218 int runner 343 cfm ported Indy intake , 800 cfm holley #37 shooters,msd ign and coil 1 7/8 headers 1.6 rocker solid roller cam 255/263 @ .050 904 rebuilt trans low gearset 3800 stall 3.91 rear 28in drag slicks 9in wide super stock spring with rancho shock set at 4 elect fan and water pump shifting at 6200 rpm any input to do better ! Dan With a cam like that i would think you'd need a higher flash stall, like somewhere around 4800. That 3800 is most likely your 60ft. issues [image]http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/nhramark1/library/Racing[/image] 9.100 @ 150 mph 5.780 @ 120 mph

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: nhramark] #1082738 09/26/11 11:21 AM 09/26/11 11:21 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	More gear 4.30s or 4.56s. Shift higher around 7000. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: Wedgeman] #1082739 09/26/11 12:03 PM 09/26/11 12:03 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	IMHO you don't need the low gear set with the stroker. My pump gas 408 has gone 6.57 with a 1.38 60' at 3260#. The cam is a flat solid, 260/264 @ .050. I shift it at 6400. It's backed by a 727, with a 9.5" converter that flashes 6000 and a Dana with 4.10 gears.

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: justinp61] #1082740 09/26/11 07:16 PM 09/26/11 07:16 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada W Wedgeman OP pro stock
Wedgeman OP pro stock W Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada	4.30 with 30 in tires ? or stay with 28.....?

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: Wedgeman] #1082741 09/26/11 08:28 PM 09/26/11 08:28 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 577 Grand Rapids, MI 1 11secondC mopar
11secondC mopar 1 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 577 Grand Rapids, MI	What was the mph? ET is in the chassis...but if the MPH is low...something's up with engine...

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: Wedgeman] #1082742 09/26/11 08:39 PM 09/26/11 08:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	Quote: 4.30 with 30 in tires ? or stay with 28.....? I'd stay with the 3.91s and a 28" tire. Most strokers don't need much gear. If it were mine I wouldn't do anything gear and tire wise until the engine and chassis was tuned. That car should run in the mid 6s in the 1/8.

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: Wedgeman] #1082743 09/27/11 12:31 AM 09/27/11 12:31 AM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,454 Glendora Ca. J Just-a-dart pro stock
Just-a-dart pro stock J Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,454 Glendora Ca.	My 408 combo was close to that(you have 5* dur. more cam and a little more porting) was running 6.60s at 3300lbs with low 1.40s 60' I can tell you mine liked 6700rpm shift points. I ran a 9.5" converter 4600 stall, and 4.10 or 4.30 gears. I would suggest that you try 6600 shifts, then go up 200 at a time tell it does not improve my Also with the lowgear watchout for bumping the rev limiter in 1st gear {its easy to do) "Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: justinp61] #1082744 09/27/11 12:51 AM 09/27/11 12:51 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Quote: 4.30 with 30 in tires ? or stay with 28.....? I'd stay with the 3.91s and a 28" tire. Most strokers don't need much gear. If it were mine I wouldn't do anything gear and tire wise until the engine and chassis was tuned. That car should run in the mid 6s in the 1/8. My stroker(421) went 9.90s with 4.56s and 295/65/15(29in)hoosier drag radials. Tried 4.30s and it fell off. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: 1967dartgt] #1082745 09/27/11 01:38 AM 09/27/11 01:38 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,745 Maryland 340_Dart top fuel
340_Dart top fuel Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,745 Maryland	What's the mph for your times? Timing? Fuel jetting? what fuel? Cam lift? The combination looks good, probably just needs some tuning... My 408 is as follows: Nothing trick in the bottom end. K1 forged crank, K1 rods, Diamond flat top pistons. Basic 408 bottom end. Compression calculated out to 10.3:1 Indy 360-2 CNC heads that have been massaged by Brett Miller (W5Dart66) and he also converted my intake to dominator flange I believe they flow in the mid 330's at .700 lift Solid roller camshaft by predator cams, 264/268@ .050, .698 gross lift Engine runs best between 36-38 degrees of timing 1050 Dominator Hedman 2" husler headers 727 with a transbrake 5400 ultimate converter 4.56s in a dana with 29.5x10.5 slicks This is in a 3000# race weight 68 valiant with ladder bar rear suspension. Went a best of 10.04 @ 131.xx at norwalk 2 weeks ago. Usually runs in the 10 teen or 20 range, depending on the air. 1/8 mile times in the 6.40s and 60' in the mid-high 1.30s depending on track 6844362-DSC_9912.jpg (93 downloads)

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: Wedgeman] #1082746 09/27/11 01:52 AM 09/27/11 01:52 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	Quote: 4.30 with 30 in tires ? or stay with 28.....? Keep what gears/tires you have now, I'd look into a higher stall & get to tuning it. 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: 1967dartgt] #1082747 09/27/11 07:02 AM 09/27/11 07:02 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	Quote: Quote: Quote: 4.30 with 30 in tires ? or stay with 28.....? I'd stay with the 3.91s and a 28" tire. Most strokers don't need much gear. If it were mine I wouldn't do anything gear and tire wise until the engine and chassis was tuned. That car should run in the mid 6s in the 1/8. My stroker(421) went 9.90s with 4.56s and 295/65/15(29in)hoosier drag radials. Tried 4.30s and it fell off. How much compression and cam?

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: justinp61] #1082748 09/27/11 09:04 AM 09/27/11 09:04 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	12 to 1 compression custom ground comp roller for nitrous 260/272 if I remember correctly. Had three different cams in that motor. And those passes were on motor with 9 1/2 dynamic conv tight for spray 3900-4000 stall. Well I looked and memory was a little off, 272/284 ,110 lobe separation,and 660/661 gross lift. Last edited by 1967DartGT; 09/27/11 07:31 PM. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: 1967dartgt] #1082749 09/27/11 06:29 PM 09/27/11 06:29 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada W Wedgeman OP pro stock
Wedgeman OP pro stock W Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada	Great infos.. Keep in mind I have a low gearset.... So may be a 4.10 with 30in tires ?

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: Wedgeman] #1082750 09/27/11 07:04 PM 09/27/11 07:04 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 369 California, USA!!! W WheelsUp73 enthusiast
WheelsUp73 enthusiast W Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 369 California, USA!!!	Here is my dart with eddy heads and a solid cam. I also run a 904 and a low 1st gear and 4.56 rearend gear. Has been 10.06 @ 131 pulling a huge wheelie at 3130 lbs. I shift at 6800 and the car traps at 7000 rpm on a 29.5 10.5 tire. http://youtu.be/zd3TadLVg9E http://youtu.be/N6v55H0vriw 6845180-Lisasamoa5.jpg (82 downloads) http://youtu.be/fAP_2rxz_GA

Re: First runs of Indy headed SB [Re: WheelsUp73] #1082751 09/27/11 07:08 PM 09/27/11 07:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Yea mine also had low gear set in a 904. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

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