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Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: racerx] #1041457
07/29/11 09:52 AM
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looking at the engine from the front of the car, the timing tab is on the left hand side. I've never seen a right side timing tab cover before.


x2 Do they make one?




I think the later year 440's had them???? the water pump discharge was flip flopped

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041458
07/29/11 09:52 AM
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The motor is relatively new but was actually built a couple of years ago and has low mileage. It's a week end bruiser at most.




Maybe that's why it's lazy outta the hole

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Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: hemi-itis] #1041459
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No, No, I photo shopped the floor jack out of the pppppppicture.
Or maybe was it a classic Zoo York pothole that I hit on the way out or maybe the body's twisted as the worlds first tri-wheel driven Mopar or.......
All kidding aside, I think I can get more 60' out of this pup.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041460
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im assuming youve been at 15-20 initial and 35 total before with this setup , same light ?

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: sogtx] #1041461
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Well, I checked my suspect ATI damper today for slippage and did the recommended piston stop test by marking the damper at both clockwise and counterclockwise points where the piston stopped against the tool. It was dead on the (0)TDC So I still of yet have to find out how my motor is even running at 50 degrees. It doesn't overheat and starts on the dime hot or cold better than a new car. My friend has suspected that my old Distributor with its light weight springs is advanced early in the cycle, combined with aluminum heads and sufficient bleed over from the split pattern cam allows it to idle and run. Once my new Distributor arrives, I will test and tune accordingly and let every one know what gives.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041462
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Well, I checked my suspect ATI damper today for slippage and did the recommended piston stop test by marking the damper at both clockwise and counterclockwise points where the piston stopped against the tool. It was dead on the (0)TDC So I still of yet have to find out how my motor is even running at 50 degrees. It doesn't overheat and starts on the dime hot or cold better than a new car. My friend has suspected that my old Distributor with its light weight springs is advanced early in the cycle, combined with aluminum heads and sufficient bleed over from the split pattern cam allows it to idle and run. Once my new Distributor arrives, I will test and tune accordingly and let every one know what gives.


50 degrees is a lot


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Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1041463
08/01/11 11:08 PM
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Never seen a bad ATI Damper. I'd put heavier springs on the dizzy and if its a MSD put the rings in thier that stop the advance. A normal mechanical advance is about 25 degrees. With 10 degree advance on the dizzy at start and add 25 degrees for a 35 degree total. When the advance comes in is a tuning decision, mine is all in about 1400 rpm. I'm betting thats the problem. If you have 30 degrees of mecahnical advance that would mean 20 degrees at cranking. My hot rod would buck and kick back with that much initial advance. So you may have a lot more mechanical advance. An engine will run with 50 degrees of advance but not well.




A brand new distributer will probably fix it.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: Cudajon] #1041464
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Never seen a bad ATI Damper. I'd put heavier springs on the dizzy and if its a MSD put the rings in thier that stop the advance. A normal mechanical advance is about 25 degrees. With 10 degree advance on the dizzy at start and add 25 degrees for a 35 degree total. When the advance comes in is a tuning decision, mine is all in about 1400 rpm. I'm betting thats the problem. If you have 30 degrees of mecahnical advance that would mean 20 degrees at cranking. My hot rod would buck and kick back with that much initial advance. So you may have a lot more mechanical advance. An engine will run with 50 degrees of advance but not well.




A brand new distributer will probably fix it.




so will a simple adjustment to the mechanical advance


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Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: HEMIFRED] #1041465
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yeah, I know, but the current distributor was modified over 20 years ago and the slots were welded and all, Even its builder has forgotten what he exactly done to it,so I'm starting with a new one since its a borrower and then I can adjust all I need to get the sweet spot.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041466
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An ATI damper can't slip because the outside is directly attached to the crank hub, right? The o-rings & weight inside are what move.
A must in any motor build (in my opinion)is to put a piston stop over #1 piston & check for actual TDC with the heads off & timing cover & pointer installed. Lots easier than later having to remove the #1 pushrods & put a piston stop thru the spark plug hole. I always do this with only the #1 piston in the motor (lots easier to turn), then remove the timing cover & degree the cam. Then I install the remaining 7 pistons & rods. Make sense?

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041467
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yeah, I know, but the current distributor was modified over 20 years ago and the slots were welded and all, Even its builder has forgotten what he exactly done to it,so I'm starting with a new one since its a borrower and then I can adjust all I need to get the sweet spot.




I assume it runs best at 50 total... if this is correct
you can put in all the dist you want and it wont
change... I would look at the valve timing... since
you know the damper is 0 you can use that as the
degree wheel and put a indicator on the retainer
for a quick check

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: Madness] #1041468
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Gee! I never though about taking the pushrods out of #1 cylinder. Hope I did not bend anything in there. I do have angle plug heads.
If I Dodged a bullet with this one I'll remember from here on than, never do any thing to do with a fast car fast.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041469
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Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: sogtx] #1041470
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Do you guys think I might have bent a valve with the piston stop turned in all the way while spinning the engine by hand with no spark plugs installed?
I'm not sure how much travel is in the exhaust/intake valves when engine is being turned over.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041471
08/09/11 01:19 PM
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Do you guys think I might have bent a valve with the piston stop turned in all the way while spinning the engine by hand with no spark plugs installed?
I'm not sure how much travel is in the exhaust/intake valves when engine is being turned over.



Do a compression test.

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