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Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? #1041437
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I'm may be having a senior moment because I can't see how my car is running at 50 degrees at TDC. The reading has been the same with both a standard type timing light and a Snap-on knob type light. I turn the knob to 0 on the light and the damper reads 50 @TDC, then I turn the knob to 50 on the light and the damper reads 0 @TDC.
Don at FBO has been helping me in trying to draw out this gremlin, but maybe some of you have been through this before if I remember correctly.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041438
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bro i had ati on my dart..damn good product ( NOT wrong) on mine.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fishy340] #1041439
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have you verified that your pointer is in the right place relative to the damper with a dial indicator on the piston to find true tdc? also, i had a big block with a big cam that was retarded 14 degrees (first cam install and didnt degree) and was running really rich and it would run with like 46 initial and 68 total.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: Baxter61] #1041440
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Are you timing it with a distributer that has vacuum advance and did you forget to disconnect it?

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: Cudajon] #1041441
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What he said.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: Cudajon] #1041442
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No, I have a mechanical advance dist. It has the advance coming in some where around 1000 rpms. Light weight springs on the weights.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041443
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Never seen a bad ATI Damper. I'd put heavier springs on the dizzy and if its a MSD put the rings in thier that stop the advance. A normal mechanical advance is about 25 degrees. With 10 degree advance on the dizzy at start and add 25 degrees for a 35 degree total. When the advance comes in is a tuning decision, mine is all in about 1400 rpm. I'm betting thats the problem. If you have 30 degrees of mecahnical advance that would mean 20 degrees at cranking. My hot rod would buck and kick back with that much initial advance. So you may have a lot more mechanical advance. An engine will run with 50 degrees of advance but not well.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041444
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Verify the timing marks on the dampener and timing cover to make sure that TDC on the dampener is zero on the timing tab on the timing cover and go from there Let us know what you find I have a B motor in the shop now that a customer was running(it didn't run very well) that has a early straight tab timing cover with a later model stock dampener, that combination throws the actual timing of by over ten degrees, if you use the zero mark on the timing cover tab


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Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041445
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Check the polarity of the wires from the box to the distributor....have seen this dilema among numerous other problems when the wires are reversed.


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I'm running an MSD 6AL box. But I'll check.
Also, does any one have pictures of early timing tab covers and newer ones?
I believe I have the correct one, but you never know. I'm an artist, so I can remember mine really well if some one post pictures. Much appreciated.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041447
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are you sure your on number 1 cylinder, and if you are put the timing light pick up close to the distributor cap, on number one cylinder. I have a ATI damper it is 100% right on the money.

if all checks out try a different timing light.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1041448
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Verify the timing marks on the dampener and timing cover to make sure that TDC on the dampener is zero on the timing tab on the timing cover and go from there Let us know what you find I have a B motor in the shop now that a customer was running(it didn't run very well) that has a early straight tab timing cover with a later model stock dampener, that combination throws the actual timing of by over ten degrees, if you use the zero mark on the timing cover tab




My last build a buddy helped me by notching the timing tab at true TDC. Needlees to say it was a tad off.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041449
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Quote:


Also, does any one have pictures of early timing tab covers and newer ones?
I believe I have the correct one, but you never know.


The early BB timing covers, pre 1966 or 1967, (I can't remember the change over year, I'm a gear head so I can't remember details like that ) have the timing tabs straight with the zero indicator on the top. The later(smog) ones are curved and have the zero mark in the center of the curve with timing marks above and below the zero hole
Not hard to tell the differences once you know what they are I hope this pictures is clear enough to see the differences between the tabs

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Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1041450
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Thank you Cab. I have the later smog type cover with the curved tab and the 0 in the middle with both the above and below TDC numbers in between the 0 like you said.
I'm going to go check my ATI 0 mark and let y'all know what I found.
Hopefully by this week end.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041451
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I am having a similar problem with an other manufacturers. Might have slipped ? Atis supposed to be the best. Please keep us posted. Have you EVER had 0 at tdc, is this a new build? ? I spent some time talking to people at carlisle, seemed like a slipped blancer is common nowadays.

I am switching to a fluiddamper, theres no way to slip on those.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: sogtx] #1041452
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I have both ATI and a real "Fluid Dampener" on stroker BB Mopars, both are excellent One thing you need to be careful on with the fluid type dampeners is the type of fluid in the dampener and the temperature you run the motor in There has been several incidences of Fluid Dampeners allegedly (on here ) of breaking crankshafts on motors revved up when the outside air temps where cold I have bought several ATI balancers since running one on my street car for the last 5 yrs,, they are the only ones I will run now Especially after "Fluid Dampenr Comp." went bankrupt several years ago


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Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: sogtx] #1041453
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The motor is relatively new but was actually built a couple of years ago and has low mileage. It's a week end bruiser at most.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041454
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Is your timing marks on left or right side of timing cover ?????

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looking at the engine from the front of the car, the timing tab is on the left hand side. I've never seen a right side timing tab cover before.

Re: Are ATI Super damper timing marks wrong? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1041456
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Quote:

looking at the engine from the front of the car, the timing tab is on the left hand side. I've never seen a right side timing tab cover before.


x2 Do they make one?

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