In all honesty, I think shooting for mid 12s is a great goal for the street. Many guys out there blab about how fast there cars are and there really aren't that many 12sec cars out there on the street. I'm basically talking about the cars that are not obvious race cars. So it is a nice surprise to see a fairly stock looking car run 12s. I also think 12s can be very streetable without much loss in drivability. I see more 12sec motors being built now than say 10 years ago, probably due to kits and cheaper parts. That was my goal. I wanted a fairly decent street motor for my convertible that would not give me headaches. It's a 500" 440source'd 440 with 513/533 voodoo cam and edelbrock heads. Somewhere around 9.2-9.3 comp ratio. Still need to pick a carb(if I don't go EFI) and probably new 3.55 gears. Hoping for 12s and probably have less in it than say a new 6.1 kit. Those new hemi's are nice but pricey. Plus a bit of a job to install, plus sourcing the right new parts.