Originally Posted by Trojmn
If you dont have one/two already, I'd get at least one wide-band. I've used Innovate motorsports programmable* LC1 before to replace upstream narrow band sensors and also data log. What this will help even without ECM tuning is determining exactly where open loop is AND because its a heavy truck, where COT (catalytic over temp) is. If you have access to tuning software you can find out your target AFR... hint it almost certainly is not 14.7:1. In 2003-2009(?) NGC computers it is something like ~14.4. Moving that up will increase MPG, note the LC1 can do that even if you cannot tune the PCM.

Its been a few years, I have *no idea* about 6000lb truck tuning but the scheme on about every vehicle under heavy load that i had a wide-band in will eventually start dumping fuel to cool off the cat and keep it from melting. I don't know what wizardy they do with your gen computer these days but I'd imagine a heavy truck gets into openloop quite often and when towing probably can get into COT often. You can see this on a large hill with a wide-band 02 sensor output where your cruising at part throttle closed loop at the target AFR, then as throttle increases (TPS v) the computer will switch to open loop tables and there will be a noticeable drop down to 12-13AFR for a period of time. With enough load for long enough and then BAM suddenly drop AFR to 10:1 or richer (COT) until you let off the enough on the throttle. Knowing those points that can get you a couple MPG just by changing your foot habits. I suspect you are getting into open loop a bunch and thats were the tune will help.


Not quite sure I follow on what the LC1 will do without tuning and how it works with a computer programmed to function with a narrow band O2, is it taking a reading and sending the computer a fake signal to get the desired AFR?

I understand about the cat over temp, I am not too worried about the cats honestly, selling them will just about pay for a set of long tube headers...

I really wish I could afford tuning the truck, idle timing is not very steady and way too late and I suspect it could stand more advance everywhere, I would like to be able to use the shift button to lock it into a gear like the old "auto stick" would do, there are still plenty of un-nessacary down shifts. I could also just tell it to run 14.7 or even leaner until I hit WOT. I am also thinking about adding a bigger throttle body and modifying a vararam to feed more air at lower throttle angles so it don't downshift as much.


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