ric3xrt, as I do my best to follow the engineering information in this thread and not always succeeding, I am trying to find a conclusion as to why we are seeing SOME early cam/lifter failures in the Gen3's. With all your experience and information, if you had to name one reason what would it be please? Strictly MDS? Thanks and my apologies to the o/p for staying off track. Larry


Facts are stubborn things.