Manimal is right on this one, Carl, you have some bada$$ stuff, and your work is great, I go to the tech files all the time, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart, but I remember the post, I think andyf started it, and it was an open request for the members to contribute if they felt they could, if you replied, and wanted to be in, and they turned you away, thats a different story, I hope the latter is not the case, because I would hate to see any animosity towards the best team, That being the mods on Moparts, and all its members, over this engine masters thing, in the big picture that is just a very small piece, your contributions, and input are second from none, from the outside looking in, dont be offended.