Bob I never took anything personally, sorry if you did? Friends? Thats your call as well, I never considered you as anything else but. Guru? You never saw me proclaim to be one did you? Actually based on your last post you are the one making that claim. I have no problem accepting that Mopar sometimes made exceptions, but when something exceptional is claimed I dont take it as fact unless there are actual facts to back up the stories. So far I am only hearing the stories. Nothing personal, and not that you owe me anything, but if you expect me to accept what you say as fact, Ill need to see proof, simple as that.