Well we started it tonight and it ran very well cold but the main problem would develop after the en;gine was good and warm. I let it run for about 6 or 7 minutes and shut it off to heat sink a little. Once the intake was warm and i knew the engine was good and warm, I tried to free rev the motor and it did the exact same thing as before we advanced the cam. I'm pretty much done for the year as I'm really tired of working on it and spending stupid money and wasting the entire summer only to be no closer than I was on June 1st when the car first went out. I truly appreciate all the feed back everyone has given. I hope to see several of you at Norwalk next week. Thanks again, Charlie.