Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Pick ups are cheap, you'll never get it clean..Wiping out the bearings & taking out the crank won't be... Keep in mind Doc still has his first penny... I don't have a pt# for you but Melling makes them.. Last Mopar one I bought was around $20.00..
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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If it's a baffled you need a dog leg pickup to use with it. They're harder to find than the straight pickup. Yes clean your old one the parts washer is a good start. Compressed air works wonders for getting those chunks to break up.
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Keep in mind Doc still has his first penny... I don't have a pt# for you but Melling makes them.. Last Mopar one I bought was around $20.00..
OK Mr Money Bags ....
I want to see you throw a TWENTY DOLLAR BILL out your window. I think not ....
All he probably has in-there is a piece of cast-iron or sludge hung-up on the screen. FOR SURE if you can't get that piece outa-there you should not chance-it. That piece of trash could get up into the oil-pump or bearings. It should blow-out with some compressed air.
Just soak the screen-area for a couple of days.
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Any time you want to know why I won't reuse a pick up screen try cutting one open & see how much crap is really trapped inside.. I made a living working on this junk not being a keyboard commando.. I spend money on stuff because it's cheaper than the alternative... Yeah lots of guys reuse screens, the first time you cut one open you'll realize it's a bad idea..
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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I give up.. You guys are right, just reuse it...
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Well I tried soaking it and blowing it out, still junk rattling around in there...
What came out so far looks like old seals or gasket material.
Gotta give it more time than a couple of hours ... at least over-nite.
I am redoing a 413 truck motor and I grabbed the PU off of that ...and checked it out. All I did was knock the screen-end on a block of wood(it loosened the crud up) and the stuff came right out.
NO metal in there just valve-stem-seals and what looked like parts of a VC gasket.
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Well I tried soaking it and blowing it out, still junk rattling around in there...
What came out so far looks like old seals or gasket material.
Gotta give it more time than a couple of hours ... at least over-nite.
I am redoing a 413 truck motor and I grabbed the PU off of that ...and checked it out. All I did was knock the screen-end on a block of wood(it loosened the crud up) and the stuff came right out.
NO metal in there just valve-stem-seals and what looked like parts of a VC gasket.
Sounds exactly like what's in mine.
Thanks for that Mopar link too on the different oil pans Jim
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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ck on summit part p5007848 it is the dog leg pick up mopar # dcc-5007848
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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The Summit deal ? ....25 beans plus another 10 clams for shipping ? ...
I know what I would do.
Cheap ass....
Thanks for all the info guys.
I'm soaking it in the parts washer for a few days like Doc mentioned and then I'll see what I can do with it. I actually need to order a few things from Summit so I may pick up that part if I can't get all the junk out of it.
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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I'll waste my time one more time.... I've cut them open when they have spent time in a hot tank & look great.... Inside are areas that traps hard debris.... Your motor, your choice...... Oh, might as well add a link too.. http://moparforums.com/forums/f7/black-chunks-jamming-oil-pump-7646/
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Yeah I was real hesitant to even post but now that I have for the record I too would spring for a new one & I'm a believer in going to 1/2" (even on a SB) pickup and doing extensive oiling mods. "bottom line rod journals need to b fed & they're at the end of the line"
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Wow. This amazes me. This post got rude and nasty and I wasn't even a part of it.
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Don't know why I waste my time but first here's a link to a google search of twisted oil pump drives... http://www.google.com/search?client=safa...-8&oe=UTF-8 Most are Fords but there are mopars listed too... Second cork will shear a oil pump drive because the clearances are so tight... Valve stem seals will do it, nylon timing gear debris will do it.. The engine with the twisted oil pump drive was a Ford.. Mopars just shear the tip off... Fords do this...
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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The screen is NOT fine enough to stop debris big enough to lock up a pump! the pump is the ONLY piece lubed with unfiltered oil!!
Interesting new spin here ..... I don't think anyone here(that is suggesting that you clean your existing PU) that you should NOT spend your money as you see fit. And I am not going to insinuate that someone is being foolish in doing this also. Spending $$$ on a good oiling system should always be a #1 priorty.
B U T .... have you ever pulled-apart a REALLY beat-up JY motor ? Some years ago a Bud called me over to look at a motor he pulled out of a parts car. He had never seen a motor this sludged up .. it looked like the oil had never been changed(maybe just added to) and maybe an occasional cup-of-sand poured-in.
uNreal. There were POUNDS of sludge in the valley and in the pan. The oil pump rotors were scored-up like I have never seen ... yet the motor still ran.
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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....and yet SO MANY PEOPLE came on a topic last week saying that much of my input was very informative and entertaining.
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Re: Which oil pickup do I need?
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Cut the pickup screen apart & it was full of debris... New screen for that job was around $7.00..... Since then I don't take a chance, but I often throw the screen in with the parts going to the hot tank & I'll cut it open after tanking to see how clean it really got.... I haven't ever thought gee, I shoulda saved the cost of a new screen...
Once again ya gotta love the difference in anecdotal experiences. In my first reply I stated "On hard to find pickups I always throw them in the hot tank with the block.." My experience comes from the days when new was not as readily available as now, if new was available I wouldn't waste the time trying to clean one.
To qualify my experiences, I knew my local shop cleaned their hot tank on the first work day of every month, so I always waited until then to take my parts in. The outside of the pickup would look really clean when it came out of the tank; I would then take the pickup and lay it flat on the table of my belt sander and sand through the crimped edge all around to separate the baffle/screen from the pickup.
I never found one that was "full of debris", mostly a powdery soft carbon ridge in the area here the original crimp was...wiped away real easy. I would then weld the baffle/screen back to the pickup..looked like crap but who's gonna see it.
Again, if new is readily available I'd always go that way.
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