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Which oil pickup do I need?

Posted By: JoesMopar

Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 03:49 PM

I am using a "971" oil pan on my 383. This is a baffled pan with a windage tray. I have the pickup, but it's loaded with junk I can hear rattling around inside of it. I was wondering if anyone had a part # that would work for this particular oil pan.

Thanks
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 03:56 PM

Just give the PU a good soak and that junk should come out OK.
Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 04:02 PM

Like hot water and Simple Green or soap? I have a parts washer I could also put it in if that would be better?

I read that this pan is actually from a '73-'78, I'm putting it in a '68 Satellite. Any idea if this thing will even fit? It was in a '69 Charger so I'm ASSuming it would.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 04:21 PM

Pick ups are cheap, you'll never get it clean..Wiping out the bearings & taking out the crank won't be... Keep in mind Doc still has his first penny... I don't have a pt# for you but Melling makes them.. Last Mopar one I bought was around $20.00..
Posted By: HemiRick

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 04:22 PM

If it's a baffled you need a dog leg pickup to use with it. They're harder to find than the straight pickup. Yes clean your old one the parts washer is a good start. Compressed air works wonders for getting those chunks to break up.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 06:22 PM

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Keep in mind Doc still has his first penny... I don't have a pt# for you but Melling makes them.. Last Mopar one I bought was around $20.00..




OK Mr Money Bags ....

I want to see you throw a TWENTY DOLLAR BILL out your window. I think not ....

All he probably has in-there is a piece of cast-iron or sludge hung-up on the screen. FOR SURE if you can't get that piece outa-there you should not chance-it. That piece of trash could get up into the oil-pump or bearings. It should blow-out with some compressed air.

Just soak the screen-area for a couple of days.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 07:42 PM

Any time you want to know why I won't reuse a pick up screen try cutting one open & see how much crap is really trapped inside.. I made a living working on this junk not being a keyboard commando.. I spend money on stuff because it's cheaper than the alternative... Yeah lots of guys reuse screens, the first time you cut one open you'll realize it's a bad idea..
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 07:48 PM

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Pick ups are cheap, you'll never get it clean..Wiping out the bearings & taking out the crank won't be




The filter is between the pickup and the bearings/crank.

On hard to find pickups I always throw them in the hot tank with the block..they'll come out as clean as the block.
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 07:59 PM

I give up.. You guys are right, just reuse it... He's not working on a max wedge, it's a fairly common pick-up tube, my local production machine shop stocks hundreds of styles I can have one on Monday...The fact that they race Mopars doesn't hurt, they know the part number & they stock it...
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/15/11 11:49 PM

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I give up.. You guys are right, just reuse it...







GOOD MOVE 1 Wild Keyboard Commando ... it is good-to-see that you admit the errors of your way...
Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 01:10 AM

Well I tried soaking it and blowing it out, still junk rattling around in there...

What came out so far looks like old seals or gasket material.
Posted By: Jim_S

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 02:04 AM

This link might help you with the part#

http://www.mymopar.com/oilpanspecs.htm
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 02:19 AM

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Well I tried soaking it and blowing it out, still junk rattling around in there...

What came out so far looks like old seals or gasket material.




Gotta give it more time than a couple of hours ... at least over-nite.

I am redoing a 413 truck motor and I grabbed the PU off of that ...and checked it out. All I did was knock the screen-end on a block of wood(it loosened the crud up) and the stuff came right out.

NO metal in there just valve-stem-seals and what looked like parts of a VC gasket.
Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 02:21 AM

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Well I tried soaking it and blowing it out, still junk rattling around in there...

What came out so far looks like old seals or gasket material.




Gotta give it more time than a couple of hours ... at least over-nite.

I am redoing a 413 truck motor and I grabbed the PU off of that ...and checked it out. All I did was knock the screen-end on a block of wood(it loosened the crud up) and the stuff came right out.

NO metal in there just valve-stem-seals and what looked like parts of a VC gasket.




Sounds exactly like what's in mine.

Thanks for that Mopar link too on the different oil pans Jim
Posted By: 1969gtx

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 02:52 AM

ck on summit part p5007848 it is the dog leg pick up mopar # dcc-5007848
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 03:25 AM

The Summit deal ? ....25 beans plus another 10 clams for shipping ? ...

I know what I would do.
Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 04:07 AM

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The Summit deal ? ....25 beans plus another 10 clams for shipping ? ...

I know what I would do.




Cheap ass....

Thanks for all the info guys.

I'm soaking it in the parts washer for a few days like Doc mentioned and then I'll see what I can do with it. I actually need to order a few things from Summit so I may pick up that part if I can't get all the junk out of it.
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 04:18 AM

If you have a bucket of carb soup, it's more caustic
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 04:23 AM

I'll waste my time one more time.... I've cut them open when they have spent time in a hot tank & look great.... Inside are areas that traps hard debris.... Your motor, your choice......

Oh, might as well add a link too..

http://moparforums.com/forums/f7/black-chunks-jamming-oil-pump-7646/
Posted By: RapidRobert

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 04:57 AM

Yeah I was real hesitant to even post but now that I have for the record I too would spring for a new one & I'm a believer in going to 1/2" (even on a SB) pickup and doing extensive oiling mods. "bottom line rod journals need to b fed & they're at the end of the line"
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 05:03 AM

I know I use to reuse them too, then we had a customers car seize the oil pump, the visable part of the pickup looked spotless, the oil pump drive looked like a pretzel.. The bearings were wiped & the crank had to be turned... Cut the pickup screen apart & it was full of debris... New screen for that job was around $7.00..... Since then I don't take a chance, but I often throw the screen in with the parts going to the hot tank & I'll cut it open after tanking to see how clean it really got.... I haven't ever thought gee, I shoulda saved the cost of a new screen...
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 07:52 AM

"""""" I'll waste my time one more time """""" ......

And YET you were in-here again and AGAIN ...

Mr Wild K C .... just how do you propose that the pump rotors will seize up ...AND the distrib drive will look like a pretzel .... if you run through some small bits of a hardened-rubber oil-seal or a tiny bit of cork gasket .....that are small enuff to pass through the screen in the pickup tube assembly ? Then a tall-tale of wiping bearings and toasting a crank ? .... are you sure YOU are not "toasted" with some of oleHAM's Mexican Gold ?

And ...you do not have to remove the sheet-metal "cap" over the screen to observe or even remove most of the trash that might be in there. I submit to you that 99% of any of that trash can be removed with simple shaking of the PU tube anyways. Or TAP IT with a small ball-peen hammer ... most will fall out. I did this just hours ago .. now on THREE very well used stocker PU tubes. No problemO.

THEN you say .... """"""" Cut the pickup screen apart & it was full of debris """"" ....full of debris ?? !! ... then how did that motor live at all? ...how did it pass any oil AT ALL ?? I suggest that someone - HISself - is "FULL OF IT" !!

And then your accusation of myself and JK of having no knowledge - we are just Keyboard Commandos ? ..... Nay I say ..... everything points at CHOO !
Posted By: Kern Dog

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 08:26 AM

Wow. This amazes me. This post got rude and nasty and I wasn't even a part of it.
I have spent a lot of my life trying to do things "on the cheap". I have always reused oil pump pickups, but they also have soaked in gasoline or lacquer thinner. I tap the screen end with a small hammer and keep doing it until nothing falls out. I often run the pickup with an oil pump with a drill, with the pickup in a bucket of solvent. I run the drill both ways to pull AND push solvent through it. NO, I have never cut one open. Maybe I have been lucky or the pickup tubes were not too dirty.
I've had cam failures that left metal bits in the pump rotors but the crank bearings looked nearly perfect. My 493 is one example. I am NOT condoning being careless. A pretzel twisted oil pump drive ? You'd have to have something really solid to bind up the pump. Small bits of cork? I can't imagine that cork wouldn't compress and pass through. Dried and cracked valve stem seals? Maybe, but it also seems that anything small enough to get past the screen wouldn't bind the pump.
Keep in mind here, I am NOT trying to contradict anyones opinions. I'm just stating what I have seen.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 08:33 AM

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Wow. This amazes me. This post got rude and nasty and I wasn't even a part of it.






Roger dodger .... that is amazing and STUNNING

And NORMALLY ...you start-it

...and me ? ... no rude or nasty intent .......I just got a little FIESTY !
Posted By: 1_WILD_RT

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 03:33 PM

Don't know why I waste my time but first here's a link to a google search of twisted oil pump drives...

http://www.google.com/search?client=safa...-8&oe=UTF-8

Most are Fords but there are mopars listed too... Second cork will shear a oil pump drive because the clearances are so tight... Valve stem seals will do it, nylon timing gear debris will do it.. The engine with the twisted oil pump drive was a Ford.. Mopars just shear the tip off... Fords do this...

Attached picture 6635745-1979FordF100_302_OilPumpDrive_Broken.jpg
Posted By: Dcuda69

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 03:55 PM

This place rocks! The OP asked for a part#,but gets a slew of opinions about replacing the pick-up. As far as the pick-up I would try Mancini..see if they can help,they list a few on their site,maybe one would work for ya?
Now,my opinion. If in doubt replace it! $30.00 bucks is cheap insurance if you ask me. I have also seen a few pretzeled pump drives.The screen is NOT fine enough to stop debris big enough to lock up a pump! the pump is the ONLY piece lubed with unfiltered oil!!
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 04:36 PM

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Don't know why I waste my time ...




Randy this feature works wonders ...

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Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 04:50 PM

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The screen is NOT fine enough to stop debris big enough to lock up a pump! the pump is the ONLY piece lubed with unfiltered oil!!




Interesting new spin here ..... I don't think anyone here(that is suggesting that you clean your existing PU) that you should NOT spend your money as you see fit. And I am not going to insinuate that someone is being foolish in doing this also. Spending $$$ on a good oiling system should always be a #1 priorty.

B U T .... have you ever pulled-apart a REALLY beat-up JY motor ? Some years ago a Bud called me over to look at a motor he pulled out of a parts car. He had never seen a motor this sludged up .. it looked like the oil had never been changed(maybe just added to) and maybe an occasional cup-of-sand poured-in.

uNreal. There were POUNDS of sludge in the valley and in the pan. The oil pump rotors were scored-up like I have never seen ... yet the motor still ran.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 04:58 PM

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Don't know why I waste my time ...




Randy this feature works wonders ...

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*** You are ignoring this user ***







....and yet SO MANY PEOPLE came on a topic last week saying that much of my input was very informative and entertaining.

RR .... ...I would never IGNORE you ..... some of your is entertaining TOOOO ! Even in the here and now ...... when you ALLEGE you are IGNORING me.
Posted By: John_Kunkel

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/16/11 06:47 PM

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Cut the pickup screen apart & it was full of debris... New screen for that job was around $7.00..... Since then I don't take a chance, but I often throw the screen in with the parts going to the hot tank & I'll cut it open after tanking to see how clean it really got.... I haven't ever thought gee, I shoulda saved the cost of a new screen...





Once again ya gotta love the difference in anecdotal experiences. In my first reply I stated "On hard to find pickups I always throw them in the hot tank with the block.." My experience comes from the days when new was not as readily available as now, if new was available I wouldn't waste the time trying to clean one.

To qualify my experiences, I knew my local shop cleaned their hot tank on the first work day of every month, so I always waited until then to take my parts in. The outside of the pickup would look really clean when it came out of the tank; I would then take the pickup and lay it flat on the table of my belt sander and sand through the crimped edge all around to separate the baffle/screen from the pickup.

I never found one that was "full of debris", mostly a powdery soft carbon ridge in the area here the original crimp was...wiped away real easy. I would then weld the baffle/screen back to the pickup..looked like crap but who's gonna see it.

Again, if new is readily available I'd always go that way.
Posted By: JoesMopar

Re: Which oil pickup do I need? - 05/24/11 03:36 AM

Well I couldn't get all the stuff out. I think what's left in it are remnants of the plastic from the original timing gears. I'll look into what you guys recommended for pickups.

Thanks
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