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installed powergllide...
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04/23/11 02:03 PM
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Installed a power glide with JW bell housing behind BB in my 'Cuda. I used the supplied spacer for the snout in the bell housing. When using the spacer you have to use the supplied starter shims obviously to be able to tighten down the two starter bolts. Once my starter snout is all the way in the spacer and the 5 supplied shims are in there, there is still a 1/8" to 3/16" gap between the bell housing and starter flange, so I added additional shims to take up the gap. Now when the starter is engaged there isn't enough gear hitting the teeth on the flywheel. What do I do? And why wouldn't JW supply enough shims to take up the gap the spacer puts the starter out?
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Re: installed powergllide...
[Re: racingblues1426]
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04/23/11 06:38 PM
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I`m also using the same set up with a Mopar mini starter sans shims here as well . Chryco
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Re: installed powergllide...
[Re: chryco]
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04/23/11 06:54 PM
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I have a 1/4 inch aluminum mid plate with a ultra bell and don't use any shims either.
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Re: installed powergllide...
[Re: juicedcuda]
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04/23/11 11:28 PM
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Dabee
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I used the supplied spacer for the snout in the bell housing
Remove the snout. You don't need it. I have never been able to get one to fit all the way in the hole in the bell for it. Shim the starter so you have .100 between the stater gear and the ring gear. That will give you full engagement of the gears.
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Re: installed powergllide...
[Re: juicedcuda]
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04/24/11 02:54 AM
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I am not sure which flywheel and center hub you are using but there are different set ups. There are some where the hub goes onto the crank flange first and the flywheel on top of it. The others mount the flywheel first and hub second. The starter ring gear winds up in a different place when compared. Pictured are various hub adapters. Some worked better when installed first rather than the flywheel. Nearly all required a spacer to pull the starter back from the wheel. In most cases the same size as the midplate.
Last edited by HEMIFRED; 04/24/11 02:59 AM.
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Re: installed powergllide...
[Re: HEMIFRED]
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04/24/11 02:55 AM
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they have come in different thicknesses
Last edited by HEMIFRED; 04/24/11 02:56 AM.
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Re: installed powergllide...
[Re: HEMIFRED]
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04/24/11 02:57 AM
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and various spacers came with them others are home made
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Re: installed powergllide...
[Re: HEMIFRED]
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04/24/11 08:44 AM
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I am not sure which flywheel and center hub you are using but there are different set ups. There are some where the hub goes onto the crank flange first and the flywheel on top of it. The others mount the flywheel first and hub second. The starter ring gear winds up in a different place when compared. Pictured are various hub adapters. Some worked better when installed first rather than the flywheel. Nearly all required a spacer to pull the starter back from the wheel. In most cases the same size as the midplate.
As Fred stated sometimes you have to mix and match because of all the possible combinations of mid plates. I had to make my crank adapter but I'm using jw bell and I think it is a tci wheel.If I read your post right it sounds like the starter snout is getting hung up in the pilot hole. Did you dry fit your starter before you put the transmission in? When I fit my starter on the bench the first time it would not engage all the way. The snout and pilot needed to be cleaned up a bit. I can see having to shim the starter to get the right engagement on the ring gear but the starter should go in tight to the bell housing unless there is interference in the pilot hole.
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Re: installed powergllide...
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04/24/11 02:03 PM
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I've posted about this on small blocks before. Can't see why they would have done any better a job on BB's. Run a 1/4" mid plate. Make a new crank adapter 1/4" thicker or a 1/4" shim. Put it together and use 1/4" less shims. Worked for me. Then I got tired of chasing shims across the floor and made a starter shim or just tack the shims needed together.
Question though. Does ATI and Reid do a better job with all of this?
Oh and forget buying a midplate for a small block to space the starter as well as the bell. Why? JW put the starter in a different place than MOPAR. Make your own mid plate, problem solved.
Leon
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Re: installed powergllide...
[Re: Leon441]
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04/24/11 08:25 PM
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I run an ATI SuperCase with ATI Bell. No starter issues at all. No shims required. bolted just like the factory.
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