Help me read my plugs
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04/17/11 12:07 AM
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After an afternoon of working in the yard I finally found a couple hours to spare before dark. I threw some new Autolite plugs in my 440. These are the Autolite equivalent of the RC12YC Champion. I'm still trying to make my part throttle ping go away. I played with the fuel quite a bit the last time I worked on it (I don't have much free time these days). I wanted to make sure I wasn't to rich. I upped the jets in the carb quite a bit before giving last time. In 26 miles of driving I had several full throttle goes from 1st, through 2nd, and let off a bit before 3rd. I never pulled over to read the plugs right after a pull though. Here's what #4 looked like when I got home (Autolite plug so the base is black, that isn't oil). P1230002 by chilort, on Flickr P1230004 by chilort, on Flickr P1230005 by chilort, on Flickr Here's the #8 plug: P1230006 by chilort, on Flickr P1230007 by chilort, on Flickr P1230008 by chilort, on Flickr Thoughts?
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Re: Help me read my plugs
[Re: Chilort]
#974676
04/17/11 12:11 AM
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I need better pics to see the timing mark on the strap, and I need a shot down the plug....Tough to see anything in those pics. If the discoloration on the strap is right in the one pics, it shows the heat range too hot. Meaning you need a colder plug. Also, reading plugs can only be done at maximum load. You have to shut it off and read them, otherwise all is out the window.
The ignition timing can be checked by looking at the color of the plug’s ground strap and the position of the "blue line" on the strap. The blue line really indicates the point at which the strap has reached annealing temperature of the metal. Further down the strap, the more timing is in the engine....
Ideally, you want this blue line to be just below where the ground strap makes the sharp bend and above the weld. If you advance the ignition too far the blue will disappear off the strap and the strap will pick up rainbow colors (blues and greens)
Last edited by Dragula; 04/17/11 12:19 AM.
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Re: Help me read my plugs
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04/17/11 12:20 AM
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I need better pics to see the timing mark on the strap, and I need a shot down the plug....Tough to see anything in those pics. If the discoloration on the strap is right in the one pics, it shows the heat range too hot. Meaning you need a colder plug.
The ignition timing can be checked by looking at the color of the plug’s ground strap and the position of the "blue line" on the strap. The blue line really indicates the point at which the strap has reached annealing temperature of the metal.
Good info. I have no clue whatsoever about reading plugs other than the pictures I can find on the internet from a Haynes manual, which my engine builder says are worthless with modern gas . I'll get more tomorrow with my wife's good camera.
Thanks.
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Re: Help me read my plugs
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04/17/11 12:50 AM
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If you have a part-throttle ping AND you are using the vacuum advance, the vacuum canister is adjustable by inserting a 3/32 Allen wrench into the canister (where the hose goes) and turning it one way or another. This may not change the total advance as it adjusts how sensitive the vacuum advance is to the vacuum signal, not the total amount of advance when under a high vacuum signal. You can limit the total amount of vacuum advance by limiting the travel of the arm on the canister.
If using the vacuum advance, try disconnecting it and see if the engine still pings. If not, limit the total vacuum advance (I believe stock is 15 degrees added to total timing (initial + mechanical)).
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Re: Help me read my plugs
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04/17/11 09:17 AM
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What carb you running now?? does it have a power valve. too low a number on the power valve will not let it work at light throttle acceleration where it is supposed to and it will lean ping. For stock applications with high in gear vacuum 1/2 is ok 16 to 17 maybe an 8.5 For modified aplications 1.5 to 3 numbers below in gear idle vacuum. Just enough to keep it closed. So 10 in gear vacuum maybe a 7.5 (or 6.5) 8.5 in gear and a 6.5 should work great. 7 in gear and you want a 5 or 5.5 aas long as it stays closed at idle!
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Re: Help me read my plugs
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04/17/11 03:25 PM
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They had 26 miles on them when I put the photos up. Now they have about 50 but mostly at idle and cruising around town. I'm about to pull a couple and take some more photos. Edit: photos (8, 6, 4, 2) P1230015 by chilort, on Flickr P1230014 by chilort, on Flickr P1230011 by chilort, on Flickr P1230010 by chilort, on Flickr P1230009 by chilort, on Flickr Jets are 76 primary and 82 secondary. It came with 70 primary and the equivalent of a 75 secondary. Engine builder's fuel guy says the plugs should look like you pulled them out of the box and you have to look for bits of aluminum to check for detonation.
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Re: Help me read my plugs
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04/22/11 09:56 AM
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But when you give it throttle vacuum drops quickly. this is when you are in transision and not enough air is moving past the ventures to give the richness it needs to accelerate. the power valve supplies that fuel needed for the transision no fuel lean = lean ping Check out the links in my April 18th post and or buy a book!
Last edited by Dodgem; 04/22/11 09:58 AM.
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Re: Help me read my plugs
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04/22/11 12:19 PM
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But when you give it throttle vacuum drops quickly. this is when you are in transision and not enough air is moving past the ventures to give the richness it needs to accelerate. the power valve supplies that fuel needed for the transision no fuel lean = lean ping
I understand what a lean ping is. What I am saying is that I get ping holding steady at 12-18inhg. I have a vacuum gauge and I can look at it with my two eyes while pulling a slight grade and hear with my two ears what sounds like detonation. No grade, no problem. Full throttle, no problem. But at 12-18inhg, after the reading I have done in some of the links you posted, I don't see how a power valve is going to help.
I can see why people get frustrated with Holley carbs. "Wet flowed to work right out of the box" my fat a55. Maybe on a Chevy 350.
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