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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: johnnyrotten]
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01/23/11 10:02 PM
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Really??? Leaving off the flash of a top bulb doesn't help? And the double hit and bumpdown stuff is all to tune the car!! 
The original question was one light, one hit. And yes, I've seen many guys screw themselves with cross-overs, bump downs and double hits.
Bottom line is that if you're a decent driver you'll do well in whatever you drive. If you suck, you suck. 
If you've already convinced yourself you can't beat a box car before season even starts, take up golf. 
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: slantzilla]
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01/23/11 11:17 PM
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Really??? Leaving off the flash of a top bulb doesn't help? And the double hit and bumpdown stuff is all to tune the car!!
The original question was one light, one hit. And yes, I've seen many guys screw themselves with cross-overs, bump downs and double hits.
Bottom line is that if you're a decent driver you'll do well in whatever you drive. If you suck, you suck.
If you've already convinced yourself you can't beat a box car before season even starts, take up golf.
exactly, I don't like bump downs. don"t need them
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: Quicktree]
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01/24/11 12:26 AM
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Can someone explain to this electronic DUMMY, exactly and in simple terms what the terms cross-overs,cross talk, bump downs and double hits mean? Maybe I needs me one o dem dere fancy electrical boxes   codfish
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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01/24/11 12:40 AM
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They are all using a blinder only seeing the bottom bulb and leaving off of it. I do the saem thing when I run Pro in the other car.
Can you explain this? What are you using for a blinder and where is it? Sorry for the hijack
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: Dart1031]
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01/24/11 12:53 AM
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They are all using a blinder only seeing the bottom bulb and leaving off of it. I do the saem thing when I run Pro in the other car.
Can you explain this? What are you using for a blinder and where is it? Sorry for the hijack
could be as simple as a piece of tape on ther visor or windshield. just somthing to cover the top 2 lights from view. so they see the bottom bulb only.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: Quicktree]
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01/24/11 09:05 AM
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They are all using a blinder only seeing the bottom bulb and leaving off of it. I do the saem thing when I run Pro in the other car.
Can you explain this? What are you using for a blinder and where is it? Sorry for the hijack
could be as simple as a piece of tape on ther visor or windshield. just somthing to cover the top 2 lights from view. so they see the bottom bulb only.
Thanks Tony 
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: MegaDart]
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01/24/11 10:01 AM
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I would suggest you have a quick 16 doorcar electronics class and no electronics class.
That sounds reasonable, 2 separate classes. 
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: johnnyrotten]
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01/24/11 10:16 AM
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What delay box guy leaves off the bottom bulb? I thought you all left of the top bulb? It's just like a footbrake race, you don't pay attention to the other side of the tree, right?
I leave off the bottom bulb. I only use my delay box (no crossover) to keep from redlighting. And no, I don't pay attention to the other side of the tree, where I race you can only see the top bulb on the other side.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: Guitar Jones]
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01/24/11 12:20 PM
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It's called cross talk, try it...We have a few cars with boxes that dont use cross talk either, I never understood why. They lite the top bulb of the faster car when the slower cars tree starts. Just ad the 1.00 to the box. Give it a try you may like it. You dont have to cross over to do it, incase you dont have a box with crossover capabilities. But to each his own.
On the blinder deal, just design something that works. We simply use the factory visor/extension in the car and some head movement to blind the tree.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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01/24/11 12:48 PM
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We have a few cars with boxes that dont use cross talk either, I never understood why.
I don't use it for two reasons, one I also run pro et where a transbrake and two step is allowed but no delay box. I adjust my reaction time with the two step rpm and the button. And two is because I don't have a crossover delay box and I'm, not going to be doing the math every round, too much chance for error plus it screws up my routine and I will get confused.
Top bulb racing = let go of the button on the top bulb then stand on the throttle.
Bottom bulb racing = stand on the throttle on the top bulb and let go of the button on the bottom bulb.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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01/24/11 01:08 PM
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This is always a heated discussion. The average rt of the delay box class is almost always better than the no box and or foot brake class. That being said, there are drivers in the no box category that can and do have better averages than many of the box racers. Why? Because when you miss with a box its typically a bunch. Now that being said what you guys that have never used a box might not realize is that these things are alot more than just a plain delay anymore. Like the pro stage stuff where the throttle falls to the floor and all you have to do is worry about bumpin in consistent and let go on the first flash of anything. And then there is the bumpdown. Oh crap I missed it and start banging on the bumpdown taking .01 out on every hit of that button. Seen a racer that took .08 out bumping down. He would have been .100 on the tree and ended up .020 and won the rd. It is not a level playing field even though there are guys that can compete. I feel that I am one of those guys; but I would venture to say that the percentage of guys that can average an actual .020 or better without a box is much lower than with. Where I find the real disadvantage is the consistency of the cars. The vast majority of footbrake non delay cars are back halved cars at most that are much less consistent than the dragsters and tube chassis cars. Big disadvantage! You rarely chase these cars. Disadantage for two reasons. First chance to red light and you dont have the race out in front of you. Bottom line is that consistently the bottom bulbers are going to be at a disadvantage. But the great thing is that on any given day we can take out the box cars. I really like the races that separate the bottom from the top until the final. I really like my odds on a one shot deal! Of course by that time you really have your car dialed in typically. And keep in mind that there are always exceptions to the rule but as a general statement that includes the not so good footbrake and no box guys we are at a disadvantage.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: speedy383]
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01/24/11 01:33 PM
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Speedy383 makes a good point. If we are talking guys at the no box nationals and or the Jegs US open. Its different than talking guys at the local track level. You have to be set on kill at those events. My brother finished 2nd in points at our local track and I can assure you that his average for the year is .025-.03 worse than mine if not more.
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Re: A ?? for actual bracket racers!!
[Re: speedy383]
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01/24/11 01:38 PM
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I have a custom bilt blinder,i can split the last bulb to see it full,half or a sliver.The last time i raced last year (night)i was picking up just a sliver of the bulb ,10runs ,worst .032 best .012 ave. .024 no red lights..If i was running super pro on this night i woulb be lucky to win a round. I was parked with 3 10.90 regulars running super pro,there combined ave was .012 over 22 runs. I can win rounds in super pro at small events, small tracks,but at a competitive race against the regular .90 boys i would be toast without a delay box. I dont know any heavy hitters out here in no box that do not blind the tree.I also agree that a good racer can win in any class and some cant win period.
I'm a box guy and there is an advantage with a box, no doubt. Taking the "if you suck, you suck" out of the equation, the box guys are usually better because of a more pure reaction leaving off the top bulb and being able to bump down. But if you chassis isn't right in a door car or dragster, RT will move around. And it's a disadvantage when you can't leave off of the opponent's tree because of the flashing dirty light. Under those circumstances I leave on the bottom and take my chances. Also shielding the 2 top bulbs was how I ran before switching to the box.
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