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If there is no cross over or cross talk that gives the advantage to the slowest guy. Clean tree.

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i disagree just add the et difference to your delay and leave on the other bulb. poor mans crossover.

to respond to the op, the box will have some advantage, a real fast car would be hard to setup for bottom bulb imo

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A huge advantage. You can leave off the top bulb and add or subtract as needed to dial in your reaction time!

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easier to make changes vs adjusting the car.

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I have a friend who has been foot brake bracket racing for almost 20 years. His average reaction time is .02. He won the heritage series in the 10.60 class a couple of years ago and he won all but one race. Typically he dials his car in to run 10.58-10.59 and lifts if he is ahead. he also runs 2 classes one with a .4 tree and the other with a .5 tree. He change front tires from small to big to get his reaction time for each class. In this old man's opinion delay boxes are for people who won't or can't practice enough to get their reactions consistant

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sorry but I have to call BS on a .02 average footbrake racing. been doing this deal for far more than 20 years and have never seen a delay box driver much less a footbrake driver with a .02 average. (edit) well maybe so I was thinking .002

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I was trying to get some support for a NO electronic quick 32, like transbrake/2step only, race. So let's hear what you think.

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But I've also seen some local footbrakers hold their own in a box class (local level).
Brian

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I was trying to get some support for a NO electronic quick 32, like transbrake/2step only, race. So let's hear what you think.

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That is not a NO Electronics example. The transbrake and two step are both electronics.
That is a common mistake.
IMO, if you are going to put electronics in a car, put them all in.

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Thats the difference... around here(this division)
the trans brake isnt called electronics .... like
said if you have a fast reacting car its HARD to
split the last bulb after its out... with the box
its MUCH better and a more consistent light

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i disagree just add the et difference to your delay and leave on the other bulb. poor mans crossover.

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Alot of us carried calculators in 1985. lol That was part of the original reasoning for shading the tree. At least around here. It's not necessarally the driver that makes a good bottom bulb combo. If the car is off enough that conventional adjustments won't get it tight enough, the only recourse is to spend money. A small percentage of drivers have plain dumb luck with this, and get a reputation for being good, when in fact, their car driver fit was luck. Many, many more go home early.

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Thanks to those who have responded. I went through about a dozen different logbooks that were lent to me by box/no box racers. Approx. avg for a no box was a .028 and the box was .014. I don't know how tough the competition is in different parts of the country, but there are at least a dozen guys here that go CONSISTENT doube oooooo's.
I consider myself a decent no box racer and if I go .020-.030 for 8-10 passes in a row before screwing up, I'm happy!! Myabe some magic footbrake guy can do better, fly'em out, I'll pay the expenses and let's go. LOL If delay boxes were not a HUGE advantage for consistency why do ALL super classes run them? Of the hundreds of big buck bracket races around the country I think I read about ONE being won by a footbrake racer. And as far as a transbrake and 2 step being an electronic devise, they have been par for the course out west for only 20-25 years or so. Even the street/sportsman/heavy class can run them. Sorry about the long post, and thanks again for the input.

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