Re: engine temperature
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12/08/10 01:33 PM
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this year I just installed a heater in the oil pan. I have used a light under the hood in the past when it was emergency
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Re: engine temperature
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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12/08/10 01:37 PM
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How do you warm the car up? I start the up Preheating the oil does reduce the time to warm it (oil) up Many racers have found that a cool block with hot oil is faster than cool oil or hot oil and hot coolant. I run 5W20Wt oil for that reason, thin oil does not rob as much power as the thicker oils do when cold or below 130F, been there doen that
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Re: engine temperature
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12/08/10 01:53 PM
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A warm engine at start up has the metal warm and closes the clearances. The cylinders,rings,etc.are all enlarged and there is less wear and stress on a warm engine at start up only. I have not tried to warm my oil but I bought a external magnetic oil pan heater to try. How do you circulate the oil after it is warm on the bottom of the pan? Just start the engine when it is what temperature?
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Re: engine temperature
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12/08/10 02:15 PM
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I have built and raced NHRA stock motors, the high end go for broke racers, especially on a heads up race, will have oil heaters glued onto the oil pan(no dipstick heaters that I know of )and used them for 20 to 30 minutes before making the run. I have seen some of them pour ice water into the motors jst before pulling out of the staging lanes, they also soak the intake manifold with ice cold towels to get them as cold as they can I have dyno tested a bunch of pump gas and race gas motors, never saw a real differences in power using the thin oils(5W20 or 5W30 wt) in oil temps from 110 F to 210 F, similar results on water temps, no real power gains or losses from 110F to 180 F on N/A motors on a well tuned motor Manifold inlet temps do make a big difference in the same tests, cold (below 110 F) is way better
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Re: engine temperature
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12/08/10 04:04 PM
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Are you running a alum block and or alum rods.... the dip stick header that I seen years ago(in Alaska) would burn the oil... the freeze plug heaters work but you better have plenty of time... I myself dont fire up my car when its below about 55*... E-85 (summer grade) doesnt like to fire... but being that I run a dry sump the first time I fire up I pull the belt and spin the pump to oil it
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Re: engine temperature
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12/08/10 04:51 PM
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I saw some freeze plugs that have an electric element and they warm the coolant in cold weather. I would like to use these to have my coolant warm and install a oil stick heater to warm the oil. How do you warm everything prior to start-up?
Instead of using those block heaters you can also buy inline coolant heaters that mount in the rad hoses. Just easier to install, especially if the engine is in the car.
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Re: engine temperature
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12/08/10 05:20 PM
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Remember, I have a 383cu. If I had a larger motor,maybe.
BIG or small ....pre-oiling is a better prsctice than PREheating your water and oil ..
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Re: engine temperature
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The thing with all those block heaters is they are 110 volt so you need a generator or plug them in at home to warm it up
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Re: engine temperature
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12/08/10 05:31 PM
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I use a Master Lube to pre-oil my engine before start ups. I like to pre lube my engine,then fire it up & jake the rear tires of the ground & with me in the car,put it in gear @ idle let the engine & drive train all warm up together. When the engine temp. get to 180-190 I shut it off & let it heat soak for about 30 mins.
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Re: engine temperature
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12/08/10 07:32 PM
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You honestly go through that whole deal before every drive?
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I know racer who do, it depends on how long it has sat bewtween rounds and the outside air temps NHRA requires that you run the car on jackstands, not on a jcak. I prefer to drive the car around in the pits for a while( I have a trans oil, engine oil and water temp gauge inthe car) to warm all the fluids up to above 100 F, especially when it is below 70 F outside, which is quite common up here in central Oregon
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Re: engine temperature
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moparnut426, I should have put the 1st time when I warm the car up. I want not just the water or oil temp. to be up but everything else in the engine. This is a must do if running aluminum rods. Mr Cab warming a dragster up on jack-stands is not a good idea,at least on a hard-tail. When Woody Mays & Bill Key were building my 2nd dragster,a cutomer of there's who had just picked the car put his engine & everything in and put it on jack stands in his shop with the door closed.He was stitting in it,but could not stop it before it went tru the door. I think the way the T/F & F/C get away with it is the way they raise them up both front & back on the frames(not 100% sure about that).But I know putting the jack stands under the rear-end of a hard tail car is not a good idea.
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Re: engine temperature
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Re: engine temperature
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I just drain the oil and put it in a non-stick pasta pot and let it sit on the kitchen stove for 25 min at about a number 6 setting
do you add any garlic
Thats how he sautes his onions and some mushrooms
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