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engine temperature

Posted By: oldtimer5151

engine temperature - 12/08/10 05:18 PM

I saw some freeze plugs that have an electric element and they warm the coolant in cold weather. I would like to use these to have my coolant warm and install a oil stick heater to warm the oil. How do you warm everything prior to start-up?
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 05:33 PM

this year I just installed a heater in the oil pan. I have used a light under the hood in the past when it was emergency
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 05:37 PM

How do you warm the car up? I start the up Preheating the oil does reduce the time to warm it (oil) up Many racers have found that a cool block with hot oil is faster than cool oil or hot oil and hot coolant. I run 5W20Wt oil for that reason, thin oil does not rob as much power as the thicker oils do when cold or below 130F, been there doen that
Posted By: oldtimer5151

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 05:53 PM

A warm engine at start up has the metal warm and closes the clearances. The cylinders,rings,etc.are all enlarged and there is less wear and stress on a warm engine at start up only. I have not tried to warm my oil but I bought a external magnetic oil pan heater to try. How do you circulate the oil after it is warm on the bottom of the pan? Just start the engine when it is what temperature?
Posted By: Baxter61

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 05:57 PM

I just drain the oil and put it in a non-stick pasta pot and let it sit on the kitchen stove for 25 min at about a number 6 setting
Posted By: oldtimer5151

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 06:02 PM

Thumper the rabbit in Bambi made a profound statement that I have found so true. " If you can`t say something good, don`t say nothing at all."
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 06:15 PM

I have built and raced NHRA stock motors, the high end go for broke racers, especially on a heads up race, will have oil heaters glued onto the oil pan(no dipstick heaters that I know of )and used them for 20 to 30 minutes before making the run. I have seen some of them pour ice water into the motors jst before pulling out of the staging lanes, they also soak the intake manifold with ice cold towels to get them as cold as they can I have dyno tested a bunch of pump gas and race gas motors, never saw a real differences in power using the thin oils(5W20 or 5W30 wt) in oil temps from 110 F to 210 F, similar results on water temps, no real power gains or losses from 110F to 180 F on N/A motors on a well tuned motor Manifold inlet temps do make a big difference in the same tests, cold (below 110 F) is way better
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:04 PM

Are you running a alum block and or alum rods.... the
dip stick header that I seen years ago(in Alaska)
would burn the oil... the freeze plug heaters work but
you better have plenty of time... I myself dont fire
up my car when its below about 55*... E-85 (summer
grade) doesnt like to fire... but being that I run a
dry sump the first time I fire up I pull the belt and
spin the pump to oil it
Posted By: oldtimer5151

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:04 PM

Thanks for the help!
Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:25 PM

Im sure that you could make a large -8 or 10 fitting at the bottom of the pan, then run that to a diffy oil pump, and just circulate that through a cool can with a warmer on it. Should be very simple, and easy to do, the oil can doesnt have to be very large as the circulation should ensure all the oil will be warm. You could use a NOS bottle warmer to get it to your desired temp.



KAsey
Posted By: oldtimer5151

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:50 PM

It is cast iron block with aluminum heads. I called the manufacture of the freeze plug and pan heater and he said that it would not take to long to heat the motor. I guess that I should take a heat gun and check it while it is heating. I live in Texas and ,while it is not cold here as up there, I like to have the motor warm when I arrive at the races, and only have to make a brief drive thru the pits to warm everything else. Just getting old and grumpy!!
Posted By: codfish

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:51 PM

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I saw some freeze plugs that have an electric element and they warm the coolant in cold weather. I would like to use these to have my coolant warm and install a oil stick heater to warm the oil. How do you warm everything prior to start-up?




Instead of using those block heaters you can also buy inline coolant heaters that mount in the rad hoses. Just easier to install, especially if the engine is in the car.

codfish
Posted By: oldtimer5151

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:53 PM

Who sells Them?
Posted By: dOoC

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:54 PM

Going through all-that .. HEATING the water and oil ...without an ACCUsump pre-oiler ?

Posted By: oldtimer5151

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:57 PM

Remember, I have a 383cu. If I had a larger motor,maybe.
Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 08:59 PM

CATS brand sells the hose inline pumps. Had one on my ol dodge and she would start in 20+ below zero nebraska windy cold winters like clockwork. Pluss my heater was hot right off the bat.

I did go through a few windshields in the ol powerwagon with that thing though.

KAsey
Posted By: codfish

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 09:18 PM

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Who sells Them?




Here's an example of one. This one actually goes in the heater hose, IF you have one. But the rad hose type is similar. Here in Canada, any parts place has them in stock. $30 or so usually.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kats-Inli...=item35ae829b84

codfish
Posted By: dOoC

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 09:20 PM

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Remember, I have a 383cu. If I had a larger motor,maybe.




BIG or small ....pre-oiling is a better prsctice than PREheating your water and oil ..
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 09:27 PM

The thing with all those block heaters is they are
110 volt so you need a generator or plug them in at
home to warm it up
Posted By: MRMOPAR622

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 09:31 PM

I use a Master Lube to pre-oil my engine before start ups. I like to pre lube my engine,then fire it up & jake the rear tires of the ground & with me in the car,put it in gear @ idle let the engine & drive train all warm up together. When the engine temp. get to 180-190 I shut it off & let it heat soak for about 30 mins.
Posted By: Moparnut426

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 09:44 PM

You honestly go through that whole deal before every drive?

Kasey
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: engine temperature - 12/08/10 11:32 PM

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You honestly go through that whole deal before every drive?

Kasey


I know racer who do, it depends on how long it has sat bewtween rounds and the outside air temps NHRA requires that you run the car on jackstands, not on a jcak. I prefer to drive the car around in the pits for a while( I have a trans oil, engine oil and water temp gauge inthe car) to warm all the fluids up to above 100 F, especially when it is below 70 F outside, which is quite common up here in central Oregon
Posted By: MRMOPAR622

Re: engine temperature - 12/09/10 12:03 AM

moparnut426, I should have put the 1st time when I warm the car up. I want not just the water or oil temp. to be up but everything else in the engine. This is a must do if running aluminum rods.

Mr Cab warming a dragster up on jack-stands is not a good idea,at least on a hard-tail. When Woody Mays & Bill Key were building my 2nd dragster,a cutomer of there's who had just picked the car put his engine & everything in and put it on jack stands in his shop with the door closed.He was stitting in it,but could not stop it before it went tru the door. I think the way the T/F & F/C get away with it is the way they raise them up both front & back on the frames(not 100% sure about that).But I know putting the jack stands under the rear-end of a hard tail car is not a good idea.
Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: engine temperature - 12/09/10 02:59 AM

Kasey,That proceedure is for when you warm up at the track
Posted By: polyspheric

Re: engine temperature - 12/09/10 05:59 AM

If you can`t say something good, don`t say nothing at all

And that's why we're still living in this cave, eating dead rats.
Posted By: HEMIFRED

Re: engine temperature - 12/09/10 06:50 AM

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I just drain the oil and put it in a non-stick pasta pot and let it sit on the kitchen stove for 25 min at about a number 6 setting




do you add any garlic
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: engine temperature - 12/09/10 06:58 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I just drain the oil and put it in a non-stick pasta pot and let it sit on the kitchen stove for 25 min at about a number 6 setting




do you add any garlic




Thats how he sautes his onions and some mushrooms
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