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Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing #839549 10/26/10 06:24 PM 10/26/10 06:24 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 OP master
Commando1 OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	On my 440 steel crank, I'm trying to decide on installing the bushing or the bearing in front of my A833. I've googled and searched the archives but I get conflicting pros & cons. It's a street machine that will rarely, if ever, see track duty.

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: Commando1] #839550 10/26/10 06:55 PM 10/26/10 06:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,554 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,554 Rittman Ohio	I like the bronze one that presses into the converter register.There is a Mopar part number in the archives.The roller unit may provide less friction but that is just one more moving part on the engine.Think of it this way,If you don't get the tranny PERFECTLY lined up you risk damaging those small rollers in a plastic cage VS a solid bushing that is far more forgiving Gus 6270161-burnoutpicturegus.JPG (30 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: fourgearsavoy] #839551 10/26/10 07:30 PM 10/26/10 07:30 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA	We've run the roller in my son's Barracuda. No problems with it, but I recall that there is a little less room to get it all together because you have to have everything straight sooner (but that would hold true for either the bearing or bushing).

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: Commando1] #839552 10/26/10 07:57 PM 10/26/10 07:57 PM
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IMGTX I Live Here Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,234 Looking for a way out of Middl...	Look at it like this. The only time the roller is rolling is when you shift. 99.9999% of the time the roller does nothing but it is one more part to go bad so I think the bushing is better.

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: IMGTX] #839553 10/26/10 08:16 PM 10/26/10 08:16 PM
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In_The_Pink master Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,065 Milwaukee, WI	Quote: Look at it like this. The only time the roller is rolling is when you shift. 99.9999% of the time the roller does nothing but it is one more part to go bad so I think the bushing is better. Isn't the bronze bushing yet another part which can go bad, too? For a street car with normal tolerances, I say it doesn't matter which you use, bearing or bushing, so take your pick.

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: fourgearsavoy] #839554 10/26/10 09:42 PM 10/26/10 09:42 PM
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Commando1 OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: I like the bronze one that presses into the converter register.There is a Mopar part number in the archives. Would that bushing be 53009180AB? If it is, I'm leaning toward that one.

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: Commando1] #839555 10/27/10 11:22 AM 10/27/10 11:22 AM
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theclutcher top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,172 Ohio	take the time and indicate the bellhousing to within .007 or better. Doing that with eliminate any concerns of wear with either component. Plus all the other benefits but thats another topic.

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: theclutcher] #839556 10/27/10 11:38 AM 10/27/10 11:38 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 OP master
Commando1 OP master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: take the time and indicate the bellhousing to within .007 or better. Doing that with eliminate any concerns of wear with either component. Plus all the other benefits but thats another topic. You know, if you think about it, if I do ALL things I'm supposed to do, Both would be 100% fine with me. Good advice...

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: Commando1] #839557 10/27/10 04:09 PM 10/27/10 04:09 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 560 MI M marklock I tried too hard for a custom title
marklock I tried too hard for a custom title M Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 560 MI	I use a roller bearing in my Dart that is summer driven only a few thousand miles a year, no problems going on 6 years now.

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: marklock] #839558 10/27/10 04:37 PM 10/27/10 04:37 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,873 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,873 Ontario, Canada	The factory used the bushing for years. I suspect the only reason for using the bearing was to save on labor costs of drilling the cranks as well as having specific cranks for 4-gear applications. My vote goes with the non-moving part - the bushing.

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: Stanton] #839559 10/27/10 06:35 PM 10/27/10 06:35 PM
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Dcuda69 master Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,946 WI	Quote: The factory used the bushing for years. I suspect the only reason for using the bearing was to save on labor costs of drilling the cranks as well as having specific cranks for 4-gear applications. My vote goes with the non-moving part - the bushing. They used the bearings for years too......think Dakotas,etc. That's the bearing that's in my BB. With that said ....either will work fine,pick one that fits your app.(crank register,etc)and put it together. Mine's been together for many years with the bearing...no problems.

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: Commando1] #839560 10/27/10 07:25 PM 10/27/10 07:25 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,554 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,554 Rittman Ohio	Quote: Quote: take the time and indicate the bellhousing to within .007 or better. Doing that with eliminate any concerns of wear with either component. Plus all the other benefits but thats another topic. You know, if you think about it, if I do ALL things I'm supposed to do, Both would be 100% fine with me. Good advice... I have a very nice indicator stand designed and built by Moparts members that bolts to a six bolt flange if you want to use it. PM me your address and I will send it to you to setup your bellhousing. Gus 6271751-burnoutpicturegus.JPG (20 downloads) Last edited by fourgearsavoy; 10/27/10 07:26 PM. 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Pilot bushing vs. pilot roller bearing [Re: fourgearsavoy] #839561 10/27/10 08:20 PM 10/27/10 08:20 PM
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dusturbd340W5 master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,616 Kissimmee Fl.	either will work fine almost every car built for the last 15-20 years with a stick comes with a roller bearing on the pilot and it's not uncommon to see them go 100k plus. 70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake best so far 1.212 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4

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