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B vs A body Cal tracks #830035 10/14/10 11:15 PM 10/14/10 11:15 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 OP I Live Here
Moparnut426 OP I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	So are the B body cal tracs a lot different than the A bodie. i know the front segment is i think longet, but will the rear of the spring, and the front bar work on my demon. I have a set laying around and am wondering. Kasey

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Moparnut426] #830036 10/15/10 12:03 AM 10/15/10 12:03 AM
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RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	No. The force bar is shorter on the A's by 2". Same as the front segment length difference. If you are talking about the mono springs. I have no knowledge of them as I never used them. Best to call travis and ask.

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: RobX4406] #830037 10/15/10 12:17 AM 10/15/10 12:17 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy J joshking440 Lunch is on me!
joshking440 Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	FYI, im going to be going to a set of 69 camaro springs and caltrac bars because both front and rear segments are longer. It is a true advantage in a leaf spring car!!

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: joshking440] #830038 10/15/10 12:23 AM 10/15/10 12:23 AM
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Ari440 master A Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,618 long island NY	is a camaro and nova the same length in the front changes the instant center of the car using more levrage to plant the tires down 1.39 9.85 - 137 mph

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Ari440] #830039 10/15/10 05:31 AM 10/15/10 05:31 AM
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scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	Why is a longer leaf spring a advantage?

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: joshking440] #830040 10/15/10 04:47 PM 10/15/10 04:47 PM
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mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,415 Toronto	Quote: FYI, im going to be going to a set of 69 camaro springs and caltrac bars because both front and rear segments are longer. It is a true advantage in a leaf spring car!! can you give us more info on this? i just bought caltracs and installed them but never heard of this

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: mshred] #830041 10/15/10 04:56 PM 10/15/10 04:56 PM
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joshking440 Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	It helps with leverage and for some reason is helps with axle wrap more than the shorter a-body design. This is another Mopar guys idea, im really just coping him.....

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: joshking440] #830042 10/20/10 05:20 PM 10/20/10 05:20 PM
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E-85 408 DART member E Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 117 @ the shop	Quote: It helps with leverage and for some reason is helps with axle wrap more than the shorter a-body design. This is another Mopar guys idea, im really just coping him..... has anybody talked with calvert about this ?? The theory sounds good . but does it work ??? Anybody useing the longer springs have any pics/feedback?? "Tappet" lead fabricator for the legendary "Flat & Tappet" race team .

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: E-85 408 DART] #830043 10/20/10 08:07 PM 10/20/10 08:07 PM
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topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,762 A collage of whims	1st-gen Camaros/Firebirds & '68-'74 Novas, Omegas, Apollos & Venturas use the same suspension design; 2nd-gen Camaros & Firebirds ditto for '75-up Nova & etc. In GM lingo, Camaro & Firebird are F-bodies, Nova & etc X bodies. I can see the longer bar having more leverage, but the longer front spring segment would seem to be more prone to flex at the same thickness/arch as a shorter one. It would be interesting to see what John Calvert has to say.

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: joshking440] #830044 10/20/10 09:56 PM 10/20/10 09:56 PM
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Torred member T Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 149 OH, USA	I asked about using the 20� front segments with extended and offset hangers on my EBody and Travis said that a 22� front segment would be better. Being that the car would have less body separation, wind-up or something like that.

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: joshking440] #830045 10/20/10 11:44 PM 10/20/10 11:44 PM
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Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	Quote: FYI, im going to be going to a set of 69 camaro springs and caltrac bars because both front and rear segments are longer. It is a true advantage in a leaf spring car!! Gotta call ya on this one, unless you know more than Chassis guru Dave Morgan Why would you put inferior leaf springs on your Mopar. Mopar put way more effort and technology in there leaf spring design. Dave Morgan in his Chassis manual quote Quote: only leaf springs worth mentioning was design by Chrysler [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Bob_Coomer] #830046 10/20/10 11:53 PM 10/20/10 11:53 PM
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Pat7272 super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 945 La Vernia, Texas	Quote: Gotta call ya on this one, unless you know more than Chassis guru Dave Morgan Why would you put inferior leaf springs on your Mopar. Mopar put way more effort and technology in there leaf spring design. Dave Morgan in his Chassis manual quote Quote: only leaf springs worth mentioning was design by Chrysler You know that caltrac setups use an aftermarket mono-leaf spring right? Not the factory leaf..

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Pat7272] #830047 10/21/10 12:12 AM 10/21/10 12:12 AM
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enelson mopar addict Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 587 San Clemente, ca	Quote: Quote: Gotta call ya on this one, unless you know more than Chassis guru Dave Morgan Why would you put inferior leaf springs on your Mopar. Mopar put way more effort and technology in there leaf spring design. Dave Morgan in his Chassis manual quote Quote: only leaf springs worth mentioning was design by Chrysler You know that caltrac setups use an aftermarket mono-leaf spring right? Not the factory leaf.. This would also be a good idea for me in hindsight, my caltrac'd car with drag radials rub the front of the wheelwells on big bumps, I'd love to have the wheel a bit further back... This is due to my bigger tire and nothing to do with caltracs but I'd like the clearance... If bolting in a mono from a camaro and calvert will provide the right size bar it sounds like a trick setup for those wanting to run bigger tires as well...

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Bob_Coomer] #830048 10/21/10 12:23 AM 10/21/10 12:23 AM
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joshking440 Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	Quote: Quote: FYI, im going to be going to a set of 69 camaro springs and caltrac bars because both front and rear segments are longer. It is a true advantage in a leaf spring car!! Gotta call ya on this one, unless you know more than Chassis guru Dave Morgan Why would you put inferior leaf springs on your Mopar. Mopar put way more effort and technology in there leaf spring design. Dave Morgan in his Chassis manual quote Quote: only leaf springs worth mentioning was design by Chrysler your not calling me on anything.... I know that the only changed made to a particular car was what I mentioned above and it 60' better then it ever had in its life and ran it the 7's for the first time. It is also the only difference in rear suspensions between an a-body and some brand x stuff which has historically been faster on leaf springs then any other mopar on the planet. I dont know who dave morgan is, but I would liek to know what year that book was written

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Bob_Coomer] #830049 10/21/10 12:25 AM 10/21/10 12:25 AM
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joshking440 Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	Quote: Quote: FYI, im going to be going to a set of 69 camaro springs and caltrac bars because both front and rear segments are longer. It is a true advantage in a leaf spring car!! Gotta call ya on this one, unless you know more than Chassis guru Dave Morgan Why would you put inferior leaf springs on your Mopar. Mopar put way more effort and technology in there leaf spring design. Dave Morgan in his Chassis manual quote Quote: only leaf springs worth mentioning was design by Chrysler Hate to tell you this but there is not a fast radial car in the world on a super stock spring buddy

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Torred] #830050 10/21/10 12:30 AM 10/21/10 12:30 AM
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scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	Quote: I asked about using the 20� front segments with extended and offset hangers on my EBody and Travis said that a 22� front segment would be better. Being that the car would have less body separation, wind-up or something like that. How does a leaf spring know what kind of car it is in? So by this reasoning a "A body" with cal-tracs has some kind of ill effects?

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: joshking440] #830051 10/21/10 12:46 AM 10/21/10 12:46 AM
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Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	Quote: I dont know who dave morgan is, but I would liek to know what year that book was written OK what ever, i disagree totally that Chevy has a better leaf spring design......buddy You actually made me laugh, asking who Dave Morgan is, are you being serious??? No really? It doesnt matter to me what you do your car. But I might have just held off telling other people to try it.. I have run Cal tracks, on about every body style in the Mopar family, including Mopar pickup trucks.. They work. plain and simple, no need to change leaf springs, or design that was my point Sounds like a a bunch of trouble, and in the end you still have leaf springs under the car. Dave Morgan wrote the Chassis Handbook, the bible of suspension tuning and theories. He travels this Country making a living by speaking about chassis tuning, and his classes are always Sold Out. http://www.davemorganseminars.com/default.asp [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: scatpacktom] #830052 10/21/10 12:52 AM 10/21/10 12:52 AM
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Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	Quote: Quote: I asked about using the 20� front segments with extended and offset hangers on my EBody and Travis said that a 22� front segment would be better. Being that the car would have less body separation, wind-up or something like that. How does a leaf spring know what kind of car it is in? So by this reasoning a "A body" with cal-tracs has some kind of ill effects? The front segment is a diff length. From the center of the axle to the front hanger is diff then, so this would then require a diff length torsion tube. (the tube that connects the front segment piviot point/bracket to the spring perch shock bracket) [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Bob_Coomer] #830053 10/21/10 12:54 AM 10/21/10 12:54 AM
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Pat7272 super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 945 La Vernia, Texas	Quote: I disagree totally that Chevy has a better leaf spring design......buddy You're not understanding - the only difference between the Caltracs for Mopars vs the caltracs for chevys is their length. Nobody is talking about putting chevy leafs on a mopar. We're talking about putting chevy LENGTH caltracs (longer) on a mopar.

Re: B vs A body Cal tracks [Re: Bob_Coomer] #830054 10/21/10 01:03 AM 10/21/10 01:03 AM
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Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	The front segment is a diff length. From the center of the axle to the front hanger is diff then, so this would then require a diff length torsion tube. (the tube that connects the front segment piviot point/bracket to the spring perch shock bracket) I had the 20" (A body???) originally with my SS springs when I went to mono spring Cal said to go 22 inch front segment and was going to sell me the tube/bar by itself but I sold those cal tracs to a friend with ss springs and just bought new 22 cal trac system.

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