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N/SS...why no smallblocks? #763286
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Just wondering why...It seems every nostalgia super stock association only allows the use of big blocks. You would think if they stuck to the current rules on vehicle years and just allowed small block combinations that were availiable, they could get more interest and Participation.

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: TMP66] #763287
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Participation and interest are not a problem. Believe me, we have races every other week in the northeast with 40-50 car fields. There is literally more than I can attend.

The reason for the rule is that NSS racing is designed to re-create the factory "wars" of the sixties. That was totally done with big cars, and big blocks. The exception to the big cars were some of the factory SS packages....i.e. Hemi Darts & Cudas, AMX SS packages, and the Ford CJ deals.

The fear, and I share it, is that once you let small blocks/pony cars in, you pretty much have destroyed the uniqueness of it. NSS cars are not bracket cars...they are unique. Once you start with small block Camaros, Dusters, etc., then you've opened it up to regular bracket guys with a bracket mentality. Those cars are not unique in local racing today. There's nothing wrong with that, but it ain't NSS racing the way it was. Most NSS races are index races (here most have a dial that ends in zero, with no change in dial.

Like I say, popularity and participation are not a problem with the way things are set up now, so don't expect it to change anytime soon.


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Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: Steve1118] #763288
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Well said Steve. I agree with you, don't fix it if it ain't broke...

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Participation and interest are not a problem. Believe me, we have races every other week in the northeast with 40-50 car fields. There is literally more than I can attend.

The reason for the rule is that NSS racing is designed to re-create the factory "wars" of the sixties. That was totally done with big cars, and big blocks. The exception to the big cars were some of the factory SS packages....i.e. Hemi Darts & Cudas, AMX SS packages, and the Ford CJ deals.

The fear, and I share it, is that once you let small blocks/pony cars in, you pretty much have destroyed the uniqueness of it. NSS cars are not bracket cars...they are unique. Once you start with small block Camaros, Dusters, etc., then you've opened it up to regular bracket guys with a bracket mentality. Those cars are not unique in local racing today. There's nothing wrong with that, but it ain't NSS racing the way it was. Most NSS races are index races (here most have a dial that ends in zero, with no change in dial.

Like I say, popularity and participation are not a problem with the way things are set up now, so don't expect it to change anytime soon.




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Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: Troublemaker427] #763289
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They are afraid of getting there azzes kicked..This way they know a big block will win no matter how slow it is.

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: Steve1118] #763290
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Participation and interest are not a problem. Believe me, we have races every other week in the northeast with 40-50 car fields. There is literally more than I can attend.

The reason for the rule is that NSS racing is designed to re-create the factory "wars" of the sixties. That was totally done with big cars, and big blocks. The exception to the big cars were some of the factory SS packages....i.e. Hemi Darts & Cudas, AMX SS packages, and the Ford CJ deals.

The fear, and I share it, is that once you let small blocks/pony cars in, you pretty much have destroyed the uniqueness of it. NSS cars are not bracket cars...they are unique. Once you start with small block Camaros, Dusters, etc., then you've opened it up to regular bracket guys with a bracket mentality. Those cars are not unique in local racing today. There's nothing wrong with that, but it ain't NSS racing the way it was. Most NSS races are index races (here most have a dial that ends in zero, with no change in dial.

Like I say, popularity and participation are not a problem with the way things are set up now, so don't expect it to change anytime soon.






well put

Casey

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #763291
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They are afraid of getting there azzes kicked..This way they know a big block will win no matter how slow it is.




Well Said Phil

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: TMP66] #763292
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Just wondering why...It seems every nostalgia super stock association only allows the use of big blocks. You would think if they stuck to the current rules on vehicle years and just allowed small block combinations that were availiable, they could get more interest and Participation.


How many factory Super Stock packages came from the factory with a small block?

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: Steve1118] #763293
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Quote:

Participation and interest are not a problem. Believe me, we have races every other week in the northeast with 40-50 car fields. There is literally more than I can attend.

The reason for the rule is that NSS racing is designed to re-create the factory "wars" of the sixties. That was totally done with big cars, and big blocks. The exception to the big cars were some of the factory SS packages....i.e. Hemi Darts & Cudas, AMX SS packages, and the Ford CJ deals.

The fear, and I share it, is that once you let small blocks/pony cars in, you pretty much have destroyed the uniqueness of it. NSS cars are not bracket cars...they are unique. Once you start with small block Camaros, Dusters, etc., then you've opened it up to regular bracket guys with a bracket mentality. Those cars are not unique in local racing today. There's nothing wrong with that, but it ain't NSS racing the way it was. Most NSS races are index races (here most have a dial that ends in zero, with no change in dial.

Like I say, popularity and participation are not a problem with the way things are set up now, so don't expect it to change anytime soon.




ditto

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: Steve1118] #763294
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... the factory "wars" of the sixties... was totally done with big cars, and big blocks. The exception to the big cars were some of the factory SS packages....i.e. Hemi Darts & Cudas, AMX SS packages, and the Ford CJ deals.



That's the gist of it: Super Stock during that era on the drag strip was ruled by big blocks. Small blocks were basically an afterthought for the budget-minded.

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: BradH] #763295
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Sometime they were for people that wanted to win. Jenkins Hemi hunter.

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Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: dannysbee] #763296
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Jenkins' Chevy II was the exception to the rule...

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: BradH] #763297
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I think they are afraid of Vic

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: emarine01] #763298
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any car even your granny's slant 6 wagon when changed to meet the rules could be a S/S class racer.
I think you will find all the NSS cars to be a factory built as a race package.
There is a difference


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Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: TMP66] #763299
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maybe they can't afford the oil dry.

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maybe they can't afford the oil dry.




I walked the entire length of all 4 lanes at that track moments after Bob Reed crashed. There is no rubber on the track anywhere. At best a slight haze that could been seen clear thru showing the concrete. Maybe the professional cars Top fuel and funny car can lay down enough to stick with all those wings and downforce they make. My sneakers didn't even stick to the track anywhere I stepped. At ATCO the track surface is so sticky they get pulled off even at the finish line.

my attempt moments after the track had been sprayed






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Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: HEMIFRED] #763301
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Well at least it was the right wall this time

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Please tell me that the bottom pic is as close to the wall as you got.
That doesn't look like any kind of fun.

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Please tell me that the bottom pic is as close to the wall as you got.
That doesn't look like any kind of fun.




that's all no more.
my car never did that move before


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Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: HEMIFRED] #763304
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Scary, but I still love that first picture.

Re: N/SS...why no smallblocks? [Re: dannysbee] #763305
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Jenkins Chevy II was an A/Stocker, not a SS car. Besides, it was beaten by Jere Stahl's A/S Hemi Belvedere three of the four NHRA events that existed in 1966. The only reason Jere Stahl didn't win the Winternationals, the fourth NHRA event is because the car hadn't been competed at that time.

Do your homework......


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