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Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
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06/29/10 04:41 PM
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Id like to hear from someone who has actually tried using green (non-adjustable) rear bearings for autoX or road racing. I have read tons on the internet and still have not found any definitive on this issue. The urban legend says "no" but all I find is therorethical informaiton, no actual "been there done that" type info. I have seen quite alot of poeple who say they use them w/o issue but no one says in a road race or autox environment. If someone has real data I would like to hear it.
01 Viper GTS ACR
10 Challenger RT PCP 6spd
70 Challenger 440 6 pac
73 Cuda 416 Road Racer
70 Hemi Roadrunner
01 Ram 4x4 / 98 Ram 3500
91 Stealth RT
05 Durango Hemi
09 Caliber / 99 Dakota 4x4 / 52 Dodge B3B
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
[Re: 70chall440]
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06/29/10 04:59 PM
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71autoxr
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71 challenger 340 green bearing on 8 3/4. 4 years worth of auto crossing monthly, several track days (Spring Fling Speed festival), zero failures. Below me will be a list of people that say it can't be done. Given the chance I would stay with tapered bearings, but i'm not going to change for the sake of changing.
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
[Re: GregCon]
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06/29/10 05:35 PM
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Why would anybody chance it? Just because a few people have had it work doesn't mean we all will. The strength is no contest.
You won't have a list of people on here say their stock bearings failed before their time, let alone pushed to the limit in a road race app. Green bearings? We already have one.
I want my fair share
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
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06/29/10 06:06 PM
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And to the people who say you HAVE TO try-it ...to report on-it.....
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.... do you need to fill your crankcase UP with water ....to KNOW that the motor will seize-UP in short order ?
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
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06/29/10 06:18 PM
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I think this is a little bit of an extreme contrast. Water in the crankcase is a far cry from this subject. Green bearings have and are being used by many. If you dont like or want them, then dont use them. However I started this thread in an attempt to see if there was someone out there that was or had used them in an autox or road race environment and would share thier experince. Just because someone doesnt hate them doesnt mean they dont work. this isnt blasphemy if someone actually likes them; it is personal opinon and I personally perfer opinion based on experience. This isnt a slam on tapered bearings or another version of "what is best". This is purely a question of green bearing experience as it relates to cornering.
01 Viper GTS ACR
10 Challenger RT PCP 6spd
70 Challenger 440 6 pac
73 Cuda 416 Road Racer
70 Hemi Roadrunner
01 Ram 4x4 / 98 Ram 3500
91 Stealth RT
05 Durango Hemi
09 Caliber / 99 Dakota 4x4 / 52 Dodge B3B
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
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06/29/10 06:22 PM
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ran my first set 9 yrs daily 80 miles a day 2nd set 2 yrs now daily 80 miles a day I drive on the street almost as hard as an autox does that count???? the biggest thing I have read on here is about the thrust button and side loads I have ran them with and with out the thrust block with no adverse failures done lots of figure 8s,burn outs,power slides,drifting...some what..not enuff HP to keep it in the drift slow speed to trip didgets ran them as hard as I can for 9 yrs and have not had a problem so far on the street,have bent 2 of the rear weld wheels sliding around and hitting potholes ect... skeerd say your skeerd...I am skeerd!  ...not! my worthless  on them i say go for it...he did on a autox machine  I have seen enuff with mine, I would 
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
[Re: 70chall440]
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06/29/10 06:38 PM
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run them in my truck also done plenty of hauling,work,muddin,offroad setting up my 440 truck with an A-body 8 3/4 with them also I am not skeerd of them when my one bearing went out,I think it was from a empty car dolly that had a wig wag to it (no thrust block) 70 mph for 250 miles,hauled a truck back smooth as glass,few days later it was toast and growling leaking oil thru the bearing itself...never broke or anything just leaked oil and had slop up and down in the bearing 2nd sets been fine so far and just as much  on them boy was that anoying,wig waging for 250 miles
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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06/29/10 07:14 PM
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Appreciate the information. I installed them on my Challenge because they were easy to install and a better option at the time than tapered bearings. As I am planning this next car I wanted to know what my options are and plan a direction.
01 Viper GTS ACR
10 Challenger RT PCP 6spd
70 Challenger 440 6 pac
73 Cuda 416 Road Racer
70 Hemi Roadrunner
01 Ram 4x4 / 98 Ram 3500
91 Stealth RT
05 Durango Hemi
09 Caliber / 99 Dakota 4x4 / 52 Dodge B3B
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
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06/29/10 07:39 PM
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I've run taper bearing in everything for years and years and years and years...
Never had one fail.
Pushed cars hard in corners, all that.
Is that enough personal experience for you or am I another one that just doesn't know anything because it doesn't support what you want to hear and/or believe?
I want my fair share
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
[Re: GregCon]
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06/29/10 07:43 PM
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scratchnfotraction
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that would be 4x if you count my failure  I have had a stock tapperd bearing go out also due to incorrect endplay adjustment and greese getting washed out from a seal leak oh I run my greens this go round with out axle seals in the housing also o-ring seals it fine the adjuster/lock tab is no longer made and very hard to get/find nowdays another reason I went greens been sliding this A-body axle around in my truck for yrs with fattys and 12" rims  when they go bad i will knock them off and hammer another set on he asked..I said...no pizzing contest...  he said he didnt want to hear better or worse just who has  on them run what ya brung
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
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06/29/10 09:54 PM
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the "known fact" issue is exactly what started this thread. Everyone says it but no one has offered any real evidence other than saying that it is a "known fact".
All the major motorcycle manufacturers switched from using ball bearings in the steering head (the part of the the frame where the front suspension is mounted) to tapered roller bearings because the ball bearings would consistently develop a "notch" in the normal range of steering motion, typically right in the center where most loads occured.
Ball bearings are bicycle-grade technology. There's no way I'd run 'em in any axle application where they'd be expected to deal w/ significant side loads.
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Re: Green Bearings for AutoX or road racing
[Re: 70chall440]
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06/29/10 11:24 PM
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The great pissin/moaning debate of Green vs Taper, on "paper" the taper is by all accounts a superior design, but so is bulletproof glass, do I need that on my car also?....I've been installing the Green bearings for well over a decade on my cars, as well as customers cars, not one failure, showcars to roadracers, drag racers to street bashers, hard miles, track time, long distance, constant abuse street or track,....I've encountered quite a few failures with tapered bearings, including 2 axle losses,(shaft leaving the housing) often due to excessive HP and roadraceing, hence the prefered change to Green bearings, I was skeptical at first also using "Green" bearings in something other than a Drag only car, but seeing that I've had zero failures with Green bearings in a multitude of my personal and/or customers cars, vs multiple failures with tapered bearings, I'm more inclined to endorse the use of Green bearings for street and/or track,(drag or roadcourse) of course proper installation and premimum parts are a mandatory criteria for maximum performance and reliability.......See Dr Diff on the Moparts board for your required application
Mike
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