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torsion bar issues? (UPDATED with pics now) #68910
06/06/08 10:16 PM
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Because I re-did my front end, I had to unload my torison bars. Well, after I got everything buttoned up, I cranked the torsion bars up again. I got the car pretty high up, too far actually, and then brought them down to a pretty low front ride height.

Because the tire was very close (1/8") from the wheelwell, I cranked it up just a bit. I jounced the car multiple times to "settle" it, and it seemed to stay in the right place.

To test the brakes, I took it around the block, and upon returning, I noticed that the ride height sank right back down to 1/8" from the tires. I looked under the car, and the adjusting bolts were where they were prior to the sinking.

And so yesterday, I cranked the adjusting bolt clockwise again to bring the height up. It looked fine, even after a good thorough jouncing, but again right after taking it around the block just once, maybe 1 minute of driving, I could see and feel the suspension sink again. The adjusting bolt again didn't back out, but I am really confused. Any ideas? TIA

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Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: sharpie] #68911
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Check that the end of the adjustment bolt is seated corectly in the groove where it is suposed to go.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: charger RTSE] #68912
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Not sure how much you adjusted it, but some settling is normal. I just rebuilt my front end and had same issue. With everthing new it didn't settle until after driving. It would sit higher when lowered from floor jack. Had to drive it after each adjustment to get the right ride height.

Given all that, it should raise the front-end if you tighten the adjuster. Just hard to tell the exact amount until you drive it a few miles.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: BDW] #68913
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Brian crank them up higher then you want them & do it again.


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Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: RapidRobert] #68914
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I have found that for every one complete turn of the adjustment bolt you gain a half inch in heigth.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: charger RTSE] #68915
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Quote:

Check that the end of the adjustment bolt is seated corectly in the groove where it is suposed to go.




Will do.

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I have found that for every one complete turn of the adjustment bolt you gain a half inch in heigth.




I cranked them about seven threads each time, and every time I drove it, it settled back to a place where I literally couldn't notice a difference from where it was before I started, if that makes any sense.

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Brian crank them up higher then you want them & do it again.




I did, which is why I am so perplexed. I actually have a picture or two:

I started here:



and after a single trip around the block, it went down to:



So then I increased height again to the first picture, and it settled right back down to the second picture with no noticeable height difference from before increasing height the second time.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: sharpie] #68916
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Get under the car and check the torsion bar attachment points. I've seen one case where the welds on one of the rear attachment points broke and the whole deal could turn in frame. Case of rot. I highly doubt this is it - but check both end.

By now you should be running out of adjustment on the bolts. Is the adjustment bolt fully seated yet - and/or is the adjustment cam/arm really cranked over?


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Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: G_T] #68917
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Your toe may be off. If the toe is set too far in it will suck the front end down when you drive it. Make sure the alignment is set properly.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #68918
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No way a car should drop that far. You got a major problemm somewhere. Check the torsion bar mounts like was said.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: stumpy] #68919
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No way a car should drop that far. You got a major problemm somewhere. Check the torsion bar mounts like was said.




It will with too much toe-in. I've seen it. Once we got the toe adjusted properly it stopped sucking the front end down.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #68920
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To do that with toe in the tires would almost have to be pointing at each other.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: stumpy] #68921
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Quote:

Get under the car and check the torsion bar attachment points. I've seen one case where the welds on one of the rear attachment points broke and the whole deal could turn in frame.




That is my guess. An easy way to check this is to use a greese pensil(or crayon) and mark the torsion bar socket and the frame. Drive the car around the block and make sure your marks still line up. If they don't, the socket is spinning in the frame. Good luck!

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: burdar] #68922
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I agree with Jim, bach up and see if it comes back up

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Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: stumpy] #68923
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Quote:

No way a car should drop that far. You got a major problemm somewhere. Check the torsion bar mounts like was said.




I agree, major problems. Your bars must be spinning in there mounts taking tension out while you drive. I have never seen a front end that high!

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: sharpie] #68924
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Dude,

Mine do the same thing. I set the car up, go drive it, park it, get back in it and it is on th ground. Looks cool, but damn is it low.


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When you pulled the front end appart you didnt mix up the bars they are marked on the ends L left R right.

Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: charger RTSE] #68926
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I did not, well, which is the left side of the car?

Also, I have been drivign mine 2 yrs this way and I figure they would have snapped by now if they were on the wrong side.....


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Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: 70Coronet500Vert] #68927
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Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: stumpy] #68928
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Re: torsion bar issues? [Re: 05dakota] #68929
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As you sit in the car looking out windshield.


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