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Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: MoparforLife] #667771
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I knew some people that flat towed their race cars many years ago and they used tow hubs. They were not all mopars either. They didn't want to over heat the rears or the trans.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: 397STROKER] #667772
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probably didnt hurt anything cause the fluid level was high enough to lube the output shaft.

whats the first thing that happens when you pull the driveshaft??? tranny fluid runs out the tranny


It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: 397STROKER] #667773
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I knew some people that flat towed their race cars many years ago and they used tow hubs. They were not all mopars either. They didn't want to over heat the rears or the trans.




Tow hubs are great but i haven'1 been able to find any. Do they still make them??

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: 540challenger] #667774
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OK sorry, what is a tow hub? Pic?

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: joesnow] #667775
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basically picture a frt drum hub w/o drum and spindle is similiar to a axle flange. flange bolts to wheel studs and tire bolts to hub. hub turns but nothing elese.very cool back in the day not to have to remove d/shaft at track.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: aarcuda] #667776
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probably didnt hurt anything cause the fluid level was high enough to lube the output shaft.

whats the first thing that happens when you pull the driveshaft??? tranny fluid runs out the tranny


No - when using the set up discribed above nothing in the transmission was turning. The wheels were free wheeling somewhat like having it on a dolly.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: aarcuda] #667777
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whats the first thing that happens when you pull the driveshaft??? tranny fluid runs out the tranny




You don't need to compltely remove the drive shaft, just undo the u-bolts on the rear u-joint, remove the u-joint from the yoke, wrap some tape around the u-joint to keep the cups on and tie up the drive shaft away from the yoke and to keep it from falling out going down the road. Takes 5-10 min.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: aarcuda] #667778
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probably didnt hurt anything cause the fluid level was high enough to lube the output shaft.

whats the first thing that happens when you pull the driveshaft??? tranny fluid runs out the tranny




The low/rev drum to rr support contact surface area won't get lubed w/o pressurized oiling. Splash oiling is shielded by the valvebody. No bushing there either, that's why it gets "rollerized" in serious race applications.


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Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #667779
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probably didnt hurt anything cause the fluid level was high enough to lube the output shaft.

whats the first thing that happens when you pull the driveshaft??? tranny fluid runs out the tranny




The low/rev drum to rr support contact surface area won't get lubed w/o pressurized oiling. Splash oiling is shielded by the valvebody. No bushing there either, that's why it gets "rollerized" in serious race applications.


The quotation above was referring to the tub towing and with that method even with the drive shaft hooked up it is not turning so there is no danger from injuring the internals of the transmission.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: MoparforLife] #667780
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The quotation above was referring to the tub towing and with that method even with the drive shaft hooked up it is not turning so there is no danger from injuring the internals of the transmission.




You meant "Hub towing" right? And that's OK, I was just throwing some additional info out there since it hadn't been mentioned before as to the adverse affects of towing a vehicle with the D-shaft still in, in general. I know what "flat towing" with rear hubs is all about. Been there. don't do dat no mo.


R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04
Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #667781
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The quotation above was referring to the tub towing and with that method even with the drive shaft hooked up it is not turning so there is no danger from injuring the internals of the transmission.




You meant "Hub towing" right? And that's OK, I was just throwing some additional info out there since it hadn't been mentioned before as to the adverse affects of towing a vehicle with the D-shaft still in, in general. I know what "flat towing" with rear hubs is all about. Been there. don't do dat no mo.



Dean where did you start reading this thread. The whole thing has been related to the adverse effects of towing with the driveshaft hooked up and and spinning the transmission. And yes that is what I meant is "hub towing" buty a hell of alot simpleer to take out the drive shaft flange bolts and tape the joint and strap the shaft up out of the way and take off.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: MoparforLife] #667782
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OK, you win.......but if people are wondering what adverse affects occur when towing with the driveshaft in I thought no immediate crime would be committed to throw my in.

I did read it from the start, but I'm the kind that likes to know why stuff actually happens.

Just sharing.......


R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04
Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #667783
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OK, you win.......but if people are wondering what adverse affects occur when towing with the driveshaft in I thought no immediate crime would be committed to throw my in.

I did read it from the start, but I'm the kind that likes to know why stuff actually happens.

Just sharing.......


Just giving you some crap. I seem to be able to get enough that I just wanted to pass some around so no one gets left out. No hard feelings.

Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: MoparforLife] #667784
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It's cool!

I don't get too wound up about much anymore these days.


R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04
Re: Can a 904/727 Trans be flat towed? [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #667785
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I had a friend flat tow a '70s Mopar. I don't know how far they were going but it was too far. It started to get difficult to pull. Once they stopped the car they were towing wouldn't go anywhere. The essentially heat welded the internals of the trans together.

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