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440-1 vs B1 #637523
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Does the Indy -1 have a larger intake volume than a B1?

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: tntmachine] #637524
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No....Of course maybe that would depend on level of porting. IE box B1 VS fully ported -1 even then I am not sure the -1 would be higher.


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Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: Al_Alguire] #637525
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Don't the 440-1 has a longer port.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: supercomp] #637526
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Having had my -1s next to Al's B1 - I can say absolutely not. The B1 is a huge port - especially when it is hogged out.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: Lil Demon] #637527
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I dont know about port sizes, but there is no comparison in power potential.


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Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: Bob_Coomer] #637528
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No dought about that. But Dave Koffel told me a B1 Orig. cnc ported had a 5.625 long 320cc intake port. I ask for my engine analyzer plus program.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: supercomp] #637529
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No dought about that. But Dave Koffel told me a B1 Orig. cnc ported had a 5.625 long 320cc intake port. I ask for my engine analyzer plus program.



I don't think the -1 is close outta the box. The B1's are usually 385 unported. That's what my flow sheets say.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: camastomcat] #637530
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No dought about that. But Dave Koffel told me a B1 Orig. cnc ported had a 5.625 long 320cc intake port. I ask for my engine analyzer plus program.



I don't think the -1 is close outta the box. The B1's are usually 385 unported. That's what my flow sheets say.





I thought he meant port volume cc's not cfm air flow.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: supercomp] #637531
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No dought about that. But Dave Koffel told me a B1 Orig. cnc ported had a 5.625 long 320cc intake port. I ask for my engine analyzer plus program.




Your results may vary. I can tell you mine are a bit bigger than that. I thought an Indy port was in the 320 range? Maybe I am mistaken.


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Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: Al_Alguire] #637532
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My Intake CC after hand porting is 342cc. They are in line with the CNC 345's where it's my belief the 345 number in the head designation represents the CC of the intake after the CNC porting. I don't know what the B1's are.


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Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: Al_Alguire] #637533
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Your results may vary. I can tell you mine are a bit bigger than that. I thought an Indy port was in the 320 range? Maybe I am mistaken.

I'm only quoting Dave. I'll cc one when I pull one off. Jeff at mch ported these.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: Al_Alguire] #637534
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the -1s when fully worked over(like GregsDart has done to his) will give the original B1 a run for its money..but in the end the B1 will win. The -1 is a great flowing "max wedge" type head whereas the B1 was designed from a clean sheet of paper with maximum flow in mind.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: Al_Alguire] #637535
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I am asking about the port volume, not CFM. The reason that I ask: I've been running a 493 cid -1 motor that has intake runner volumes of 327 cc's. I'm planning on putting together a bigger motor (572) with B1 heads. I saw a set of B1MC on here that stated the intake volume is 300cc. Since I don't have any B1 heads laying around to compare; I was wondering if the B1's have a shorter runner length than the Indy stuff?

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: tntmachine] #637536
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Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: tntmachine] #637537
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I am asking about the port volume, not CFM. The reason that I ask: I've been running a 493 cid -1 motor that has intake runner volumes of 327 cc's. I'm planning on putting together a bigger motor (572) with B1 heads. I saw a set of B1MC on here that stated the intake volume is 300cc. Since I don't have any B1 heads laying around to compare; I was wondering if the B1's have a shorter runner length than the Indy stuff?



Yeah, that stuff with the ti valves and T&D rocker gear is a great deal. I wish I had the money. You should meak better than 1000HP with that set up. I'm not sure about the 300cc coment, but Shady Dell should know. That's if we are talking about the same heads on racingjunk.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: camastomcat] #637538
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my indy are CNC 345s



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Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: moparniac] #637539
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Just my 2 cents worth, my -1 fully ported and polished , support 914 hp on a 578ci motor, if I had to do over again, I would go with b1 mc.I am maxxed out with no more room to grow, which means either sell heads for pennies on dollar, or let them sit on shelf if we want to step up. John


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Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: camastomcat] #637540
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Whats the deal on racing junk, the only set I see with T/D are Predators, do you have the Add Number of a B1 M/C set-up I may have missed.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: camastomcat] #637541
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Yes, The heads that I'm refering to are on RJ.

Re: 440-1 vs B1 [Re: Gearbox] #637542
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Whats the deal on racing junk, the only set I see with T/D are Predators, do you have the Add Number of a B1 M/C set-up I may have missed.



They're on here 2nd page 1/2 way down. In the race parts section.

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