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Re: Battery relocation wire question
[Re: fiddlestix]
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02/25/10 05:31 PM
02/25/10 05:31 PM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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Ive heard not to use welding cable.Look at it. The strands are real thin.Most experts will say no.Just get regular battery cable.I wouldnt trust speaker cable.I know guys will chime in and say they run welding cable.I dont I just get 25 feet of battery canle in 1 gauge..Rocky
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Re: Battery relocation wire question
[Re: fiddlestix]
#624200
02/25/10 06:13 PM
02/25/10 06:13 PM
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Indy
joshking440
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I am looking on E-bay and found 2 different 1/0 wires for a battery relocation. Which one of these would be better and why? Thanks for the help.
BRAND NEW 25' OF EXCELENE 1/0 WELDING CABLE IN RED VERY HIGH FLEXIBILITY CABLE THAT IS MADE IN THE USA, +105C-50C 600V CONDUCTOR STRANDING IS 19X54/30 = STRANDS OF BARE COPPER. NOMINAL O.D IS 0.55 AND NOMINAL WALL THICKNESS IS 0.08
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Color: Silver
Competition series
Best series from the best brand for wires
These are the thickest and best wires on the market. These can handle any amplifier.
Patented technology only from Monster allows greater current transfer
Patented construction makes this cable very flexible for ease of installation
Oxygen free
Designed for show car performance
Extreme thickness
Ultra-Pure copper conduction
Magnetic Flex Tube technology (Only from monster)
High current power handling
Protective jacket
25 foot
this is Monster cable usually used for auto amplifiers.
Monster cable is really just over priced for the audio guys. Its not speaker wire, its designed to power a large audio amplifier. Welding cable strands are very fine, similar to a DLO cable which is designed for Diesel Locomotive connections. Welding cable would work great in that application. It has a thick flexable jacket, handles very high ampacities, and is easy to get. JUst be very concious of your terminations not to leave exposed copper and use a good crimp connection on the wire, no mechanical stuff
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Re: Battery relocation wire question
[Re: therocks]
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02/25/10 06:18 PM
02/25/10 06:18 PM
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Woodstock , Georgia
Mopar_racer_99
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OK, I know people have opinions on this subject, that being said copper wire transfers current on the outside of said strand, meaning a cable with more strands has less impedence than a cable with fewer strands, welding cable has a softer jacket to it to allow a welder to move around, thats all the other cables have a stiffer jacket to take abrasions and abuse, one not being better than the other in a race car enviroment, back to your normal daily opinions. John
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Re: Battery relocation wire question
[Re: fiddlestix]
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02/25/10 06:42 PM
02/25/10 06:42 PM
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joshking440
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Correct, more strands, better for our application. I dont think one would be any better than the other. Monster cable used to make a good product, and it may have a pvc jacket of sorts that will createa little better barrier from the elements it you are running it outside the car. The other side of that is the rubber jacket on the welding cable will be thicker. I dont think you will have issues either way, but I personally would pick welding cable, but Im an electrician so my opinion my be swayed because of that.
Also check with your local electrical supply house... ie CED or Crescent or Wesco and ask them to quote you welding cable, or DLO cable.
Last edited by joshking440; 02/25/10 06:45 PM.
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Re: Battery relocation wire question
[Re: joshking440]
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02/25/10 06:50 PM
02/25/10 06:50 PM
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Woodstock , Georgia
Mopar_racer_99
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Nothing against painless wiring , but most of kits are only 15ft. like Josh said check your local electrical supply houses, they also have the correct stlye lugs to use also. and Iagree with Rodney, we also run same size neg cable back, chassis is not the best ground. John
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Re: Battery relocation wire question
[Re: roadhazard]
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02/25/10 06:58 PM
02/25/10 06:58 PM
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Dayton, Ohio
wldtm
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Call terminal supply company. I just bought 25 ft roll of 0/1 and it was about 65$, and they tossed in 4 ft of 0/1 ground for free. The top post battery ends are about 5$ each. You get what you pay for. Originally my dad bought a Taylor kit. The brackets were good, but the insulation was cheap. It did not with stand the heat when soldering the ends on. The terminal supply wire did a great job with standing the heat (and its actually for automotive use). Justin 
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Re: Battery relocation wire question
[Re: joshking440]
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02/25/10 07:39 PM
02/25/10 07:39 PM
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Dayton, Ohio
wldtm
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Just my opinion, but a good compression crimped connection is better than a soldered one in high ampacity situations like this
I would have preferred them crimp the connection, because i think they can make it look cleaner. I agree a properly crimped connection is as good as a well done soldering job.
On mine, the power feed runs directly to the bat stud of the starter. The ground goes to the frame (through the on/off kill switch). At the engine there is a ground from the head to the frame. I will also have one a body to chassis ground, (mainly for lighting circuits).
To make it cleaner they also sell 3/4" id adhesive lined heat shrink in red for positive post. Black for negative. Makes it look really nice.
THe trick I found on melting the solder without char broiling the insulation is heat only on the terminal end, and use the heat to pull the solder in.
Justin
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Re: Battery relocation wire question
[Re: Mopar_racer_99]
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02/25/10 08:51 PM
02/25/10 08:51 PM
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Bitopia
jcc
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OK, I know people have opinions on this subject, that being said copper wire transfers current on the outside of said strand, meaning a cable with more strands has less impedence than a cable with fewer strands, welding cable has a softer jacket to it to allow a welder to move around, thats all the other cables have a stiffer jacket to take abrasions and abuse, one not being better than the other in a race car enviroment, back to your normal daily opinions. John
Not exactly, when you mentioned "impedance", you are referring to AC current, cars are DC. AC does like the surface of a conductor, hence the need for multi strands in AC situations, however I would use the welding cable for a number of other reasons already mentioned, and leave the monster cable for the smug audio guys and the I was going to say ricers, but why pick on them?. 
When I crimp heavy cable at work, I use a greasy specificly design wire compound that helps prevent corrosion and oxidation, then i tape or heat shrink that to keep out moisture, your number one long term problem in keeping a connection solid.
Last edited by jcc; 02/25/10 08:54 PM.
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