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Last year I broke a rocker arm and also chewed up that pushrod. I figured I would go ahead and purchase a new set of pushrods and keep my old ones for spares. I bought a set of Indy pushrods, being told by them that they would work in my combo just fine. The more I am reading on here about their customer service, I am starting to worry. My car has a Comp .690 roller with 1.55 springs. I didn't run it hard with those pushrods last fall and took the shafts off for the winter to make it easier on the springs. Are these Indy's junk, or will they hold up?

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i'm running them in my 500 ci megablock with -1 indy heads and a .650 comp cam and they work fine for me a for a few seasons so far. im also using harland sharp roller rockers. 1.5's.
that .692 roller cam is the one i wish i had in my motor. mine is a CONSERVATIVE BUILD!

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I've had a BUNCH of bad experiences with INDY and their -1 pushrods in their kit.. I figured out ( after chewing up a rocker) that the intake pushrods and the exhaust pushrods were .050 different.. Also the cup size (raadius) was different than they gave me in their -1 kit.. It took a call to Smith Brothers to order a CORRECT set of pushrods... I haven't had ANY PROBLEMS with SMITH BROTHERS (unlike Indy)..... FYI...

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We have used hundereds of Indy pushrod kits(we cut and build for each application)Hemi,Wedge and small block.The only issues we have seen is the occasional loss of a pushrod for varying reasons,ie: adjustment,geometry,bad rocker or adjuster,and cam and lifter issues.We had a bad set of 5/16 SB pushrods that the lifter ends flattened in the press,but that was over 8 years ago and Indy replaced them,nothing since.We also use Manton and Smith with no problems either.

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I just bought a set from Trends in Detroit, MI. One piece, custom lenght, 210 deg rad. on the ball (.080 moly) for $117.00 plus shipping. That is less than Indy gets for the cut to fit crap.

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I just bought a set from Trends in Detroit, MI. One piece, custom lenght, 210 deg rad. on the ball (.080 moly) for $117.00 plus shipping. That is less than Indy gets for the cut to fit crap.




That's great!!! We are not suggesting to anyone who's to buy and who has the best pricing,just sharing our experience on the subject of "Indy pushrods"If we were only buying one set then I would want the "best" and not necessarrly the "cheapest" since a "junk pushrod" can cause a lot of damage.In some applications we are paying $350 to $500 for a set of custom made pushrods and certainly not from Indy.For the most part,since we make a quite a few sets that range from .080 to .180 wall at differnt lengths(especially Hemi)the price varys as well as the cam and spring demands,we find the Indy kits serve our purpose for the majority of our street and bracket engine builds.Just or opinion,experience and thoughts on the suject,nothing more. Respectfully Bob

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We had two sets that came with the oval and rectangle port small block heads. Used one set, they galled badly, threw the others away. I don't like their rocker arms either. T&D rockers and Smith Brothers pushrods are the only way to go if you're really going to lean on it.

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Your instinct about not installing those pushrods are right on. Even if you follow thier chart on what they want for adjustment. They Break and its your fault. They'r not going to be there to help you after the fact. If you want I have a hole set
out of my $5000.00 kit i'll hook you up with.
you'll only have to replace 2 rockers and 6 or 7 pushrods! Thier pushrods and adjuster screws are junk! Heads are awesome.
I know i'm going to get some rebuttal from the pro builders but people like me that only have the one race car, It Sucks To spend the kind of money Indy gets and skimps on critical parts.
Whats worse is how they walk away refuse and forget you after the money is spent.
Smith Brothers Pushrods!!!
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While I don't disagree with Indy's service after the sale I do disagree that there products are junk. I have ran the same pushrods and rocker arms for ten years with no problems. Last year I broke a rocker arm. Replaced with new set of Indy's. Still using same pushrods. Care must be taken to ensure proper pushrod length so not to much adjuster is protruding from the bottom of the rocker. I think ten years on the rockers is pretty good. I cut and press my own. Never galled one. Did gall MP pushrods years back. Just my opinion.



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Everyone that has had good luck with indy's rockers and pushrods all seem to have been from a few years ago before the economy started putting a strain on suppliers to do the materials cheeper.
No more russian rullette for me!


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While I don't disagree with Indy's service after the sale I do disagree that there products are junk. I have ran the same pushrods and rocker arms for ten years with no problems. Last year I broke a rocker arm. Replaced with new set of Indy's. Still using same pushrods. Care must be taken to ensure proper pushrod length so not to much adjuster is protruding from the bottom of the rocker. I think ten years on the rockers is pretty good. I cut and press my own. Never galled one. Did gall MP pushrods years back. Just my opinion.




but what kind of spring pressure are you running thats the biggest deal with the Indy rockers and push rods


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While I don't disagree with Indy's service after the sale I do disagree that there products are junk. I have ran the same pushrods and rocker arms for ten years with no problems. Last year I broke a rocker arm. Replaced with new set of Indy's. Still using same pushrods. Care must be taken to ensure proper pushrod length so not to much adjuster is protruding from the bottom of the rocker. I think ten years on the rockers is pretty good. I cut and press my own. Never galled one. Did gall MP pushrods years back. Just my opinion.



Please reply with your pertinent spring load data.

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I use k-motion 950 springs with no problems , indy pushrod kit, ( 3rd set ) no problems , and same Indy rockers 1.5 for 8 years on a ultradyne cam 278-283 duration w/ 682 lift. Indy makes good products , I just don't let them do the work.

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Springs are K-Motion. Seat pressure @ 245. Open @ 650. Cam lift @ valve .640 I agree with Jimmy

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I burned up a bunch of them in the 511. The Indy rocker arms don't supply enough oil at 600lbs over the nose. I ended up going with a set of Comp pushrod oiler roller lifters and custom Smith bros. pushrods.

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Everyone that has had good luck with indy's rockers and pushrods all seem to have been from a few years ago before the economy started putting a strain on suppliers to do the materials cheeper.
No more russian rullette for me!


I don't agree with that assessment. Most failures are a result of inferior labour surrounding the part. Things like galled ends... recieved no oil. So do you blame the pushrod? My rockers weren't grooved for pushrod oiling. So instead of putting it together and waiting for it to all blow apart, I took the responsibility to groove them, so I wouldn't be pointing false fingers at indy, claiming everything they make is junk.
Its weird that Bob George has built more of these than all the individuals put together and has no failures.....

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So when you buy a "complete Kit" from any engine supplier, you should go in and modify the parts?
My intent was to buy a one source head kit from someone reputible. Indy didn't reccomend grooving anything. Just make the pushrods so the adjuster screws come out right at flush or one thread sticking out Per thier sheet. Did it exactly as directed and pitched half the valve train.
Everyone has problems with thier stuff from time to time but c'mon, I'm not alone here this isn't a random rant. Just bent at the fact that Indy absolutly bails after the sale Unless your a dealer. Thats it! I'll become a dealer and begin defending thier stuff!!
PS Not bagging on anything they sell except the pushrods and rockers. JMO!


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I use Smith Bros pushrods with very good results for many custom applications including builds with indy shaft rockers. If you are buying new pushrods, look them up.

The trend pushrods are very good too.


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what causes a pushrod to wear like this in 10-15 passes

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I'm not sure but I have 13 more that look like that. The others are headless!
Bad run of materials IMO


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I'm not sure but I have 13 more that look like that. The others are headless!
Bad run of materials IMO





your probably right, but after keeping this one for 2 weeks, nobody would own up to a bad part. oh well live and learn

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we had 2 different engines on the dyno last fall, both broke a pushrod both sets were new and from Smith Bro's.
no one or material is perfect
They made us a new set of rods and figured it was due to a bad batch of stock. They didn't help out with the other damaged parts the broken rod took out.
rocker arm, shaft and cam roller
it could have been worse!

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I guess its somewhat of a good thing, It makes you go looking for the good parts. I now have Smith brothers pushrods, Harland Sharp roller rockers And K motion springs. I know there is still no guarentee with those parts but at least you can get someone that will deal with you on a failure. I'm a little shocked to see that a company that does as much for Mopar racers as they do that they will not do anything for us when something fails.


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So when you buy a "complete Kit" from any engine supplier, you should go in and modify the parts?
My intent was to buy a one source head kit from someone reputible. Indy didn't reccomend grooving anything. Just make the pushrods so the adjuster screws come out right at flush or one thread sticking out Per thier sheet. Did it exactly as directed and pitched half the valve train.
Everyone has problems with thier stuff from time to time but c'mon, I'm not alone here this isn't a random rant. Just bent at the fact that Indy absolutly bails after the sale Unless your a dealer. Thats it! I'll become a dealer and begin defending thier stuff!!
PS Not bagging on anything they sell except the pushrods and rockers. JMO!




Just to set the record straight,Bob George speaks for BGR,Indy doesn't need defending,their great network of dealers,many of them members here on Moparts as well as all the racers that use Indy products is fact enough for any valid accessment of the performance of Indy's products.Take a look at the who's who of engine shops and builders and racers and their achievments and reputations,then ask yourself,"why are they selling and useing Indy products"?Maybe many of us arn't as dumb as some try to project we are.99% of BGR racers run Indy products and are proven competitors,99% of our engine customers use Indy products supplied by us and are quite satisfied.Bob George speaks for BGR,the success and demand for Indy products speaks for Indy.Like it or not,no BS,just facts base on building engines with Indy products for over 10 years.Judge for yourself,it's a free market and no one holds a gun to your head"yet"

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Manton push rods.

3 1/2 years on mine.




No Indy parts for me thank you.


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Ron McCelland,10 and 1/2 years on a 10 flat,3700#,494",.680 roller,Indy top half kit.Dave Selby,mid to low tens same,over 10 years,Dave Jobcar,Jerry Biadek,Tom O'Brian,GAbby Martire,Chaz Augustien,4 years,low nines,Dave Ross,BG and Donny Martik,588" and 605" Hemis,over 4 years,and the list goes on and on,"whats your point"I must have missed it. Just took apart a Hemi,6 Smith pushrods torched and we don't even look at them as the problem. Also had a wedge in here the had 2 cups snap off,after inspection we found most all were cut uneven and the cups didn't set flush in the rod not to mention the scores of cups and adjusters we see split and gaulded because of lack of oil or bad geometry.Please enlighten me as to what constitutes "junk pushrods"brand name,misapplication,poor workmanship?Help me out here I can still learn even at my old age.

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I've used at least 10 sets of Indy push rods with no problems at all.

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I wonder how many people chamfer the hole before they assemble them?

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what causes a pushrod to wear like this in 10-15 passes







Looks like the dia of the ball didn't match the cup. Or maybe a burr on the bottom of the ball not taken off after machining.

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The adjuster balls on the Indy ( Dove ) rockers has a distinct little "knob" on the center of the ball--it is small but it is there--it is the contact point until you fire up and wear it off Look close on new ones and you will see
Indy Prods are Crap --Pure Junk

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I wonder how many people chamfer the hole before they assemble them?




I wonder how many put extreme pressure assembly lube in the cups when assembling motor, & how many actually get the length CORRECT so that the rockers quirt oil into the cups when running, (rather than hitting side or missing cups due to too long or too short) is better question.

The ones making them live....well I suspect they are doing things "correctly" The ones not having them live..... well.... you can figure that out for yourself.

Those ICH P rods are fine for mild applications (Hyd FT, Solid FT, Hyd Roller/Small Solid roller) Other than that, they are just inferior materials/wall thickness for large solid roller use. Will they live in some big roller apps? Certainly if everything is right, but you're leaving some power on table with deflection, especially in a BB/Hemi with a foot long P rod.

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I wonder how many people chamfer the hole before they assemble them?





i am sure improper assembly has caused quite a few failures. i know i have goofed up.

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The Indy BB push rods come out of the package ( newspaper) with about 1/4 of them crooked when rolled on a flat surface--you can expect cups to fail--I am sure there are MANY reasons that happens--at Indy they beat the cups in between two pieces of aluminum so they are not putting them together any different than most folks--The machining spur left on the ends of the adjusters start the process for many folks I think--I have had many sets "work" but when cups fall off with Indys and do not with Smith or Mantons well......I say the Indy units are junk--it is just my opinion --Go Smith Bros and never look back

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