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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: 68roadrunner]
#623782
02/26/10 11:45 PM
02/26/10 11:45 PM
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mikeysmopars
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I'm not sure but I have 13 more that look like that. The others are headless!
Bad run of materials IMO
Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: mikeysmopars]
#623783
02/27/10 12:04 AM
02/27/10 12:04 AM
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ky
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I'm not sure but I have 13 more that look like that. The others are headless!
Bad run of materials IMO
your probably right, but after keeping this one for 2 weeks, nobody would own up to a bad part. oh well live and learn 
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: 68roadrunner]
#623784
02/27/10 12:14 AM
02/27/10 12:14 AM
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we had 2 different engines on the dyno last fall, both broke a pushrod both sets were new and from Smith Bro's. no one or material is perfect  They made us a new set of rods and figured it was due to a bad batch of stock. They didn't help out with the other damaged parts the broken rod took out.  rocker arm, shaft and cam roller  it could have been worse!
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: 68roadrunner]
#623785
02/27/10 12:27 AM
02/27/10 12:27 AM
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I guess its somewhat of a good thing, It makes you go looking for the good parts. I now have Smith brothers pushrods, Harland Sharp roller rockers And K motion springs. I know there is still no guarentee with those parts but at least you can get someone that will deal with you on a failure. I'm a little shocked to see that a company that does as much for Mopar racers as they do that they will not do anything for us when something fails.
Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: mikeysmopars]
#623786
02/28/10 03:29 AM
02/28/10 03:29 AM
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So when you buy a "complete Kit" from any engine supplier, you should go in and modify the parts?
My intent was to buy a one source head kit from someone reputible. Indy didn't reccomend grooving anything. Just make the pushrods so the adjuster screws come out right at flush or one thread sticking out Per thier sheet. Did it exactly as directed and pitched half the valve train.
Everyone has problems with thier stuff from time to time but c'mon, I'm not alone here this isn't a random rant. Just bent at the fact that Indy absolutly bails after the sale Unless your a dealer. Thats it! I'll become a dealer and begin defending thier stuff!!
PS Not bagging on anything they sell except the pushrods and rockers. JMO!
Just to set the record straight,Bob George speaks for BGR,Indy doesn't need defending,their great network of dealers,many of them members here on Moparts as well as all the racers that use Indy products is fact enough for any valid accessment of the performance of Indy's products.Take a look at the who's who of engine shops and builders and racers and their achievments and reputations,then ask yourself,"why are they selling and useing Indy products"?Maybe many of us arn't as dumb as some try to project we are.99% of BGR racers run Indy products and are proven competitors,99% of our engine customers use Indy products supplied by us and are quite satisfied.Bob George speaks for BGR,the success and demand for Indy products speaks for Indy.Like it or not,no BS,just facts base on building engines with Indy products for over 10 years.Judge for yourself,it's a free market and no one holds a gun to your head"yet"  
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: 493_DART]
#623788
02/28/10 07:36 AM
02/28/10 07:36 AM
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Ron McCelland,10 and 1/2 years on a 10 flat,3700#,494",.680 roller,Indy top half kit.Dave Selby,mid to low tens same,over 10 years,Dave Jobcar,Jerry Biadek,Tom O'Brian,GAbby Martire,Chaz Augustien,4 years,low nines,Dave Ross,BG and Donny Martik,588" and 605" Hemis,over 4 years,and the list goes on and on,"whats your point"I must have missed it. Just took apart a Hemi,6 Smith pushrods torched and we don't even look at them as the problem.  Also had a wedge in here the had 2 cups snap off,after inspection we found most all were cut uneven and the cups didn't set flush in the rod not to mention the scores of cups and adjusters we see split and gaulded because of lack of oil or bad geometry.Please enlighten me as to what constitutes "junk pushrods"brand name,misapplication,poor workmanship?Help me out here I can still learn even at my old age.
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: 68roadrunner]
#623791
02/28/10 04:02 PM
02/28/10 04:02 PM
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Stanton
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what causes a pushrod to wear like this in 10-15 passes
Looks like the dia of the ball didn't match the cup. Or maybe a burr on the bottom of the ball not taken off after machining.
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: Stanton]
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02/28/10 05:14 PM
02/28/10 05:14 PM
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The adjuster balls on the Indy ( Dove ) rockers has a distinct little "knob" on the center of the ball--it is small but it is there--it is the contact point until you fire up and wear it off Look close on new ones and you will see
Indy Prods are Crap --Pure Junk
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: RemCharger]
#623793
02/28/10 05:35 PM
02/28/10 05:35 PM
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RyanJ
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I wonder how many people chamfer the hole before they assemble them?
I wonder how many put extreme pressure assembly lube in the cups when assembling motor, & how many actually get the length CORRECT so that the rockers quirt oil into the cups when running, (rather than hitting side or missing cups due to too long or too short) is better question.
The ones making them live....well I suspect they are doing things "correctly" The ones not having them live..... well.... you can figure that out for yourself.
Those ICH P rods are fine for mild applications (Hyd FT, Solid FT, Hyd Roller/Small Solid roller) Other than that, they are just inferior materials/wall thickness for large solid roller use. Will they live in some big roller apps? Certainly if everything is right, but you're leaving some power on table with deflection, especially in a BB/Hemi with a foot long P rod.
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: RemCharger]
#623794
03/01/10 12:20 AM
03/01/10 12:20 AM
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ky
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I wonder how many people chamfer the hole before they assemble them?
i am sure improper assembly has caused quite a few failures. i know i have goofed up.
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Re: Indy pushrods
[Re: 68roadrunner]
#623795
03/01/10 09:22 AM
03/01/10 09:22 AM
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The Indy BB push rods come out of the package ( newspaper) with about 1/4 of them crooked when rolled on a flat surface--you can expect cups to fail--I am sure there are MANY reasons that happens--at Indy they beat the cups in between two pieces of aluminum so they are not putting them together any different than most folks--The machining spur left on the ends of the adjusters start the process for many folks I think--I have had many sets "work" but when cups fall off with Indys and do not with Smith or Mantons well......I say the Indy units are junk--it is just my opinion --Go Smith Bros and never look back
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