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Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop #470179
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Hello I am brand new to this site but I have gathered much great info in the past from it.

I have a dilema and I hope some of you can offer advice for a newbie.

I am looking to find a high quality detail oriented shop to undertake resto on my 71 Cuda. I am the original owner and I would like the car restored to look like the day I picked it up at the dealer.

Also can someone explain the difference on value impact of an "oe" correctly restored car vs an over restored car?

I am puzzled which way to go.

Thanks in advance, Matt

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470180
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Welcome Matt,

Here you go, A show winner from The Finer Details
Talk to Ken Mosier. You will be more than Happy
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(Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)
Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470181
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The debate over whether to go OE vs. overrestored has many sides. The OE type resto is painstaking, frustrating, and usually the most costly. Part availablity for these types of restos are such that unless the car is a high option 6 pack or Hemi car, you will be in for well more than the value of the finished car when it's done. But far be it from me or anyone else to tell anyone which car is worthy of a high dollar resto. It's the choice of the individual.

The "overrestored" style of restoration is sometimes more practical. Some liberties can be taken such that the finished product becomes more easy to live with. A true OE type of paint job, for instance, would be an orange peely acrylic enamel- rather than the slick and durable urethanes used today. You also wouldn't have to mortgage the kids college fund to find the correct, dated exhaust system for the car.

As for value, that's kind of difficult to say. I have seen some overrestored and even tasefully modified cars sell for more than their more correct counterparts. One instance that comes to mind is a certain red A12 Superbee that I did a bunch of work to some time back. This was a car with headers, frame connectors, a hard running stroker motor and a really nice paint job. This car sold for much more than comparitive OE restored cars at that time at the BJ auction. The other(and most important) consideration is what you plan to do with it when it's done. Most guys that go "true OE" wind up pushing the car on and off the trailer with little booties on the tires for fear of disturbing all of the correct parts and finishes which will deteriorate quickly if prepared the way these cars were when new. And you can see how that would get old pretty quick.

At the end of the day it's your car and do with it whatever makes you happy. Talk to others that you see at car shows and have cars that fit your criteria and ask them their opinion.

Good Luck and let's see some pics of that fish!

MB

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: HPMike] #470182
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The debate over whether to go OE vs. overrestored has many sides. The OE type resto is painstaking, frustrating, and usually the most costly. Part availablity for these types of restos are such that unless the car is a high option 6 pack or Hemi car, you will be in for well more than the value of the finished car when it's done. But far be it from me or anyone else to tell anyone which car is worthy of a high dollar resto. It's the choice of the individual.

The "overrestored" style of restoration is sometimes more practical. Some liberties can be taken such that the finished product becomes more easy to live with. A true OE type of paint job, for instance, would be an orange peely acrylic enamel- rather than the slick and durable urethanes used today. You also wouldn't have to mortgage the kids college fund to find the correct, dated exhaust system for the car.

As for value, that's kind of difficult to say. I have seen some overrestored and even tasefully modified cars sell for more than their more correct counterparts. One instance that comes to mind is a certain red A12 Superbee that I did a bunch of work to some time back. This was a car with headers, frame connectors, a hard running stroker motor and a really nice paint job. This car sold for much more than comparitive OE restored cars at that time at the BJ auction. The other(and most important) consideration is what you plan to do with it when it's done. Most guys that go "true OE" wind up pushing the car on and off the trailer with little booties on the tires for fear of disturbing all of the correct parts and finishes which will deteriorate quickly if prepared the way these cars were when new. And you can see how that would get old pretty quick.

At the end of the day it's your car and do with it whatever makes you happy. Talk to others that you see at car shows and have cars that fit your criteria and ask them their opinion.

Good Luck and let's see some pics of that fish!

MB


Mike is giving you good advice Matt. Most important is that it is your car and you should have it the way you like.

First decision is if you are going to drive it or only show it, and where. At the smaller venue shows, most will not know the difference in OE vs. great quality show car. This is always my first question to my customers. I have found that other than those that want museum quality, most want their car to stand tall around the other cars. If you decide to go OE, a lot of the effort put in does not get seen or noticed. Figure out what you want, your budget and then we can better advise you.

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: TrueTripleX] #470183
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I agree with the above. You should determine what you want first and then search for a shop that suits your needs. If you want pure OE, prepare to pay out the nose for the rare parts.

Here are some of the best shops in the country you should consider.

1) Roger Gibson Restorations, MO
2) Paul Jacobs Restorations, IN
3) Mike Mancini Restorations, RI
4) Rocket Restorations, WA
5) Resto Rick, WI
6) Finer Details, IN

I see you are located in Mass. I would highly recommend Mike Mancini as he is in RI, close to you. He is just about the best on the east coast.

Post some pics!

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: MoparABE] #470184
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Thank you guys for the input and the references.

I really would like to build the car as original as possible but I could stand for a modern paint job. Base/clear just makes sense maintenence wise. One concern I have would be the bare metal parts rusting if they were left bare.

Does anyone have any of the contact info for each of these restorers?

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470185
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Matt,

If you are willing to go a bit further south then I can recommend Walt Clark and his crew. They did a base coat/clear coat in the original color for my 68 Road Runner and it came out sweet!!

http://www.clarkclassic.com/

Jim
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Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: 68jim] #470186
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cudakidd,where in mass. are you? the big name in my area is Blair Smith on 106(pm me for his number)he does nothing but restorations is is by far one of the most detail oriented mopar body guys around the mass.area. good luck in your project Darren. he is actually working now on the basket case general lee that was bought by a member here for ridiculous money but ended up being taped together,literally,there is a thread around here somewhere

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Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470187
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If you're concerned about the bare metal parts rusting, and you'd like to have base/clear paint, and plan on driving the car, I think you should definately go for the over restored route instead of OE. You'll be happier, and it will be cheaper.

I've heard a lot of great things about Allen Auto in Canada. He hasn't done any work for me personaly, but I hear it's terrific work at an even better price.

How much work do you want to do yourself? Are you just looking good bodywork & a painted shell so you can put the car together, or are you looking for a turnkey resto?

There are at least a few places that you can send the car to have all the metal work done, and they'll send it back to you painted and ready to assemble.

Tav

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: cataclysm80] #470188
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Try Rocket Restorations in Olympia Washington, they can take your car to ANY level you desire and will work with you in getting the car to the level that meets your budget and level of satisfaction. They recently restored am OE Gold winning 1971 Hemi Cuda (scored Gold by not just one, but BOTH of the Nations top two highest rated judging bodies).

The distance & transportation may seem daunting but don't let that get in the way of quality work, the cost will be minimal in the overall scope of a ground up restoration. Ask them for references, they can offer many.

See pics at www.rocketresto.com

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: cataclysm80] #470189
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I am really looking to have the car restored start to finish. I do not have the time nor the talent to achieve what my hopes are for the car.

I am on the fencce about the OE thing. Part of me wants everything just like factory but I would eventually want to drive the car every now and again.

I am going to start calling some of the shops mentioned here and see what my options are.

Any advice on what to ask when dealing with a shop?

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470190
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Decide exactly what you want in the finished product and what you intend to do with it once completed BEFORE you remove the 1st bolt ( or have it removed as the case may be )

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: gtx6970] #470191
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I guess the real question is how much are you willing to pay? It is no problem figuring out what you want or who to do it, the problem is when it comes time to shell out the $$$$$$$$$ Whatever the price quote you get just go ahead and tack on another 30% - 40% "surprise" money for the "we couldn't find a good _______ (fill in blank) for a decent price so we had to pay double what it usually costs or "We got the car back from the stripper and we have some bad news........

If you're dreaming that it's not going to cost more than what you think, well then.......you're dreaming You can spend triple or more to restore a car the way you want than what it is actually worth but if that's what fires your rocket

So how much are you willing to spend, that's what should determine your restoration IMO and don't forget the 30% - 40% extra


MikeR

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In that area of the world I would go with Mike LaBrecque of LaBrecque Autocraft in CT


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Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470193
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Hello Matt. my name is Ken Mosier, I own The Finer Details in Danville IN, we restore mostly E bodys, I would like to talk to you you can call me at any time at 1-317-709-3625. And thanks Bob.
Ken

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470194
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Also can someone explain the difference on value impact of an "oe" correctly restored car vs an over restored car?




As a point of reference, a few years ago in the bubble era a guy bought an over restored Hemi car for top dollar, but at least $100K in NOS parts in it to get OE gold, and sold for less than he bought it for. You be the judge.

I believe you can do a lot of things that trend you towards on OE look (no shiny bottom for example) but still retain driveability. Ping me offline if you like.


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Mike Mancini's contact number is 508-932-1349, very impressive work.

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My reccomendation is for Troy Angelly / Paul Jacobs for detail work. Their cars have won OE gold the last 4 years at the Mopar Nats with several getting best of show including this year.
Troy 618-926-5921 Paul 812-963-5219

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Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470197
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We'll give you the best job for the best price.

I'll give you the names of our current and past customers and let them tell you about us.

You won't find a shop anywhere that gives you the quality you want AND price as well as we do.

Call me, Tim 404-234-1000. We are 3 guys with over 100 years of collective experience and we can get started on your car right away. No one with less than 30 years of experience will ever touch your car at our shop!

It's worth shipping to us. We've done cars from Toronto to New Orleans. We have one in the shop now from NYC and another on it's way from WA state.

Check out our MAX price guarantee and let me put you in touch with our customers.

Thanks!


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