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works with both carter and edelbrocks, i just switched out a set of 750 carters to edelbrock 800's leaned them out a tad and went with a little richer metering rod for this weekend.
i feel it was too rich at launch only getting a 1.41 60 foot. and it slowed down 3 mph and .1 with 3 jet sizes richer.
i definitely thought the .116 jets would have woken the car up but no, even with half way decent air, it slowed down so ill be at .113 square for this weekend.

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Ok now I'm confused you start this post letting us know that you have the secret to tune these carbs for a .15 better et and then you say you adjusted "yours" and you lose et so is this a trick post

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works with both carter and edelbrocks, i just switched out a set of 750 carters to edelbrock 800's leaned them out a tad and went with a little richer metering rod for this weekend.
i feel it was too rich at launch only getting a 1.41 60 foot. and it slowed down 3 mph and .1 with 3 jet sizes richer.
i definitely thought the .116 jets would have woken the car up but no, even with half way decent air, it slowed down so ill be at .113 square for this weekend.

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Ok now I'm confused you start this post letting us know that you have the secret to tune these carbs for a .15 better et and then you say you adjusted "yours" and you lose et so is this a trick post

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works with both carter and edelbrocks, i just switched out a set of 750 carters to edelbrock 800's leaned them out a tad and went with a little richer metering rod for this weekend.
i feel it was too rich at launch only getting a 1.41 60 foot. and it slowed down 3 mph and .1 with 3 jet sizes richer.
i definitely thought the .116 jets would have woken the car up but no, even with half way decent air, it slowed down so ill be at .113 square for this weekend.

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Ok now I'm confused you start this post letting us know that you have the secret to tune these carbs for a .15 better et and then you say you adjusted "yours" and you lose et so is this a trick post

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Russ, no this is not a trick post, i already found the .15 increase, i was just looking to see if i could squeeze another .0500 out of the combo, i jetted it up some more figuring the air was a little better but it didnt work, so im going to try a jet configuration.
im looking for some more jet combos from a few more 440-25 members then ill all let you in on the easiest cheapest way to pick up .15

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heres the pieces to put inside the indy crossram,they are made of epoxy sleeved with longer bolts.
they are going on my 500 ci motor in my 63 plymouth, this should get me right where i wanna be.

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And here all along I thought you were going to tell us all to join Jenny Craig I know I could lose a few lbs but not enough to gain .15 so, are you going to do a back to back test on these at the track to verify the .15 gain?


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heres the pieces to put inside the indy crossram,they are made of epoxy sleeved with longer bolts.
they are going on my 500 ci motor in my 63 plymouth, this should get me right where i wanna be.

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And here all along I thought you were going to tell us all to join Jenny Craig I know I could lose a few lbs but not enough to gain .15 so, are you going to do a back to back test on these at the track to verify the .15 gain?


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already have Russ on the 65 dodge, its a full .15
i had to get the other set before i posted, they've just made another run of them.

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It may not have made more peak hp, but if there was more area under the curve (made more power at lower rpm's for example) it would get the car moving faster.

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It may not have made more peak hp, but if there was more area under the curve (made more power at lower rpm's for example) it would get the car moving faster.

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EXACTLY,,,DING,,,,,,,DING,,,,,,,DING When SSR spoke to Ken at Carlisle,he said that it did not really make more HP,but the torque picked up faster in the lower RPM range.

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EXACTLY,,,DING,,,,,,,DING,,,,,,,DING When SSR spoke to Ken at Carlisle,he said that it did not really make more HP,but the torque picked up faster in the lower RPM range.

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I can't bite my lip any longer......

You have NO ACTUAL proof that it's worth power (MPH).......Mopar Muscle AND Indy BOTH say it's not worth anything, but you say it's worth a tenth and a half on a low 9 second car??? That's a fairly huge power gain........What was the trap speed, before and after??? and was it on the same day???

Maybe the converter in your car isn't optimized for the way the intake was before????? How many converters have you tried in your car? Contrary to what a LOT of people think, torque doesn't mean very much in a drag car because it can be made up for with gearing in the rearend, transmission, and in the converter (torque multiplication)........

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Yeah, Stevie Wonder can see that.........just look at all the turns the air has to make just to get to the runners..........

Show same day, back to back dyno tests......then show back to back same day ET slips, or this is all a waste of time.......
Saying "easiest cheapest way to pick up .15" is a pretty broad statement to make without any dyno proof that it actually makes more HP on a LOT of different combos.......

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hmmm... something is a little fishy here

Last year you say you pick up all of this power solely on jetting and messing with the carbs... now its these things?

Didnt you rip us last year saying the reason there is puddling in our intake is because our jetting was off?

the way you run your mouth you would have told us about these things last year if they actually worked.... lets see some pictures chris, and like as said previously lets see some back to back tests.

dont get on here saying you have a proven .15 if you have never even ran the things... this post is bogus. end of sorry.

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Einstein your ignorance is only preceded by your incompedence.
these inserts werent available last year, i did pick up with just jetting and some carb mods last year.
this year its with these installed, heres your installed pictures as requested.
just remember i know how to make power.
when you get out of the 9.70's let me know.
by that time ill be 8.40's good luck!

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In the old days, they would just machine the tops of the runners back further to have straighter/shorter air flow path somewhat. Have you thought about doing that? Are you going to touch the runners or raduis any of the inlets at all? Just curious.

I like the looks of those intakes, but after running a rat roaster for years with two 750 eddy carbs I modifed, I really don't have the want to go back that way again. I do give you a lot of credit though for making it work that well. I know from running mine that the metering rods and other tricks were closely guarded secrets. I asked more than a few people that had them running well, but always recieved very little info. I learned a few things that made my run what it did, but even the new single dommy intakes and carbs out run them.

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By the way, we chose to run in the 9.70 range, there is plenty more left past the throttle stop.
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Why would you limit yourselves to 9.79/10.0???Ya think ya might have a 9.5 lurking

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hmmm... something is a little fishy here

Last year you say you pick up all of this power solely on jetting and messing with the carbs... now its these things?

Didnt you rip us last year saying the reason there is puddling in our intake is because our jetting was off?

the way you run your mouth you would have told us about these things last year if they actually worked.... lets see some pictures chris, and like as said previously lets see some back to back tests.

dont get on here saying you have a proven .15 if you have never even ran the things... this post is bogus. end of sorry.

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Einstein your ignorance is only preceded by your incompedence.
these inserts werent available last year, i did pick up with just jetting and some carb mods last year.
this year its with these installed, heres your installed pictures as requested.
just remember i know how to make power.
when you get out of the 9.70's let me know.
by that time ill be 8.40's good luck!

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already have Russ on the 65 dodge, its a full .15
i had to get the other set before i posted, they've just made another run of them

hmmm once again your stories dont line up. Having trouble keeping your lies straight I see... let me help you out.

you claim to go 9.22 last year with just jetting correct?... so that means with this proven .15 this year you have been 9.07!!!!!! jeepers thats fast. Again with your loud mouth you would have been all over the internet saying how fast you went if you really went that fast.

funny thing is... tho, you havent even ran the dodge this year..... your scared of it remember? or ashamed... one of the two. so let me ask you this how is it possible to get a new best with a car that has not been ran? You got the products just this year right?? hmmm.. a little fishy to me fishboy, but im sure you can pull out some lie to cover your butt on this one.


once again your post is BOGUS.

a proven .15 eh? haha the only way your ever gonna pick up .15 is if you stop letting hemi-itis ride shotgun every pass

I wouldnt waste my money on these things. They have been PROVEN to make no more horse power on the dyno. thats all I need to hear.

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You guys need to get together and resolve all of this he said this, he said that stuff, you both have awesome 65's, now, if you can't play well together it will be separate sand boxes for the rest of the year and no cookies at break time.

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C"mon Joey,I wanna play,I wana play Casey,If I,m not shotgun,,,,,,It would be a full 2 tenths .Now cannI has a coooooooooookie peeeeeeeez

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You guys need to get together and resolve all of this he said this, he said that stuff, you both have awesome 65's, now, if you can't play well together it will be separate sand boxes for the rest of the year and no cookies at break time.

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JOEY, NO HE SAID SHE SAID HERE.just the brutal facts.
i proved about going 9.22 with a u tube video and since have gone faster.
unlike the whompin woosie who cant get out of its own way with his 588, he puts up bogus irrelevant nonsense on here ruining another good post with immature rants with no relevence.
if i had a 588 and went 9.79, id sell my junk.
i had a 557 built by someone and it went 9.80's-that lasted about 12 passes before it came out and i went with a real engine builder.
so whompin woosie get a all out video this weekend for all of us to see.
man i feel like Larry Holmes against the great white hope Gerry Cooney.

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This "naysayer" is still waiting for you to answer my questions with brutal facts.........

What was the trap speed, before and after?

Was it on the same day? If not, what was the DA between swaps?

How many converters have you tried in your car before the swap?

Have you dyno'd before and after, and what was the difference?

AGAIN, how can you claim that this is an easy, cheap trick that will pick up 1 and a half tenths on anyone's car that has that intake and installs those ???

I believe your car picked up with them, I just don't believe that you have enough facts to make claims like you're making.......

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This "naysayer" is still waiting for you to answer my questions with brutal facts.........

What was the trap speed, before and after?

Was it on the same day? If not, what was the DA between swaps?

How many converters have you tried in your car before the swap?

Have you dyno'd before and after, and what was the difference?

AGAIN, how can you claim that this is an easy, cheap trick that will pick up 1 and a half tenths on anyone's car that has that intake and installs those ???

I believe your car picked up with them, I just don't believe that you have enough facts to make claims like you're making.......

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yea chris where is the answers???

anyways guys. We did try a set of them. figured it wouldnt hurt it at all.

First off even Ken at indy said there was no hp increase on the dyno, but it did pick the car up a few .01's in the 330.

We figured what the hell and put a set in. It was not a back to back test. We put them in Friday night after racing was done, and tried them saturday morning the air was 600ft better on saturday and the car only picked up .03 and 1mph. The air itself could have picked the car up that much.

All im saying is these things are not worth the .15 as claimed. But on the otherhand I dont thing they hurt the car at all... there isn't puddling in the intake now....

Also Im not the only one who tried them this weekend either, maybe others had better luck...

Casey

Oh and Chris, the reason you didnt come to the Pitt is because you didnt have your custom Mark Williams driveshaft back remember? Or was it you thought it was going to rain as your friend from New York came and told us? Oh well im sure there was a good reason none the less.

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Casey, please explain this? 9.78 et
you flyin now.
i go faster than that starting in 2nd gear.
please dont tell me throttle stops or running 10.0 class.
thats pathetic.
if your car was tuned better you'd pick up with those epoxy inserts. somethings wrong with that combo.

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Casey, please explain this? 9.78 et
you flyin now.
i go faster than that starting in 2nd gear.
please dont tell me throttle stops or running 10.0 class.
thats pathetic.
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With your obvious wealth of knowledge, you should try headsup racing instead of trying to go fast in a bracket class.......

and I'm still patiently waiting for replies to my questions...........

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Casey, please explain this? 9.78 et
you flyin now.
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please dont tell me throttle stops or running 10.0 class.
thats pathetic.
if your car was tuned better you'd pick up with those epoxy inserts. somethings wrong with that combo.

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I would think that you would worry more about your own rides and getting them dialed in than worrying about how fast we are running.
The class we run there is no advantage in buzzing the motor harder to run 9.50 or 9.25. So I choose to turn the throttle back and have a setup that I can get down the track. We are interested in winning rounds not posting home made videos on U-tube. There were 41 cars in the Max Wedge and probably twice that many in the 10.0 shootout so I need a setup that will be consistant for many rounds. I would think that this has been discussed enough..I am sure all the other board members could care less about how fast your car or my car runs and they are sick about hearing about it...Let's give it a rest and move on to something more constructive.

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hmmm... something is a little fishy here

Last year you say you pick up all of this power solely on jetting and messing with the carbs... now its these things?

Didnt you rip us last year saying the reason there is puddling in our intake is because our jetting was off?

the way you run your mouth you would have told us about these things last year if they actually worked.... lets see some pictures chris, and like as said previously lets see some back to back tests.

dont get on here saying you have a proven .15 if you have never even ran the things... this post is bogus. end of sorry.

Casey

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once again poppaj, your little boy starts the running his mouth. i put up a contructive informative post helping out guys with these indy inserts. it worked for me and i wanted to help out those who are looking for a little more.
unfortunately for you, it didnt work.
you give it a rest .