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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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09/11/09 11:05 PM
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in the new mopar muscle, those plenum fillers picked up hardly anything on the dyno but if you say it did pick up i believe it
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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09/11/09 11:22 PM
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It may not have made more peak hp, but if there was more area under the curve (made more power at lower rpm's for example) it would get the car moving faster. 
EXACTLY,,,DING,,,,,,,DING,,,,,,,DING  When SSR spoke to Ken at Carlisle,he said that it did not really make more HP,but the torque picked up faster in the lower RPM range. 
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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the biggest problem with the intake is the puddling of fuel, the fuel wasnt getting down in the correct path properly, this is part of vthe backfire problem as well as it is a very large plenum. these will shorten the fuel path,creating better low end and better et.
indy did there homework on these or someone played around with the intake and gave the info. to indy.
5 years ago i tried something similar but not this large of a diameter inserts. it helped some but not .15
i got about .030 better.
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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09/12/09 12:10 PM
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I hope Indy is going to change the casting to reflect the new configuration. Do you have any pictures of the inserts installed?
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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It may not have made more peak hp, but if there was more area under the curve (made more power at lower rpm's for example) it would get the car moving faster.
EXACTLY,,,DING,,,,,,,DING,,,,,,,DING When SSR spoke to Ken at Carlisle,he said that it did not really make more HP,but the torque picked up faster in the lower RPM range.
I can't bite my lip any longer......
You have NO ACTUAL proof that it's worth power (MPH).......Mopar Muscle AND Indy BOTH say it's not worth anything, but you say it's worth a tenth and a half on a low 9 second car???    That's a fairly huge power gain........What was the trap speed, before and after??? and was it on the same day???
Maybe the converter in your car isn't optimized for the way the intake was before????? How many converters have you tried in your car? Contrary to what a LOT of people think, torque doesn't mean very much in a drag car because it can be made up for with gearing in the rearend, transmission, and in the converter (torque multiplication)........
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the biggest problem with the intake is the puddling of fuel
Yeah, Stevie Wonder can see that.........just look at all the turns the air has to make just to get to the runners..........
Show same day, back to back dyno tests......then show back to back same day ET slips, or this is all a waste of time.......
  Saying "easiest cheapest way to pick up .15" is a pretty broad statement to make without any dyno proof that it actually makes more HP on a LOT of different combos.......
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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09/15/09 03:26 PM
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hmmm... something is a little fishy here
Last year you say you pick up all of this power solely on jetting and messing with the carbs... now its these things?
Didnt you rip us last year saying the reason there is puddling in our intake is because our jetting was off?
the way you run your mouth you would have told us about these things last year if they actually worked.... lets see some pictures chris, and like as said previously lets see some back to back tests.
dont get on here saying you have a proven .15 if you have never even ran the things... this post is bogus. end of sorry.
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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09/15/09 04:07 PM
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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hmmm... something is a little fishy here
Last year you say you pick up all of this power solely on jetting and messing with the carbs... now its these things?
Didnt you rip us last year saying the reason there is puddling in our intake is because our jetting was off?
the way you run your mouth you would have told us about these things last year if they actually worked.... lets see some pictures chris, and like as said previously lets see some back to back tests.
dont get on here saying you have a proven .15 if you have never even ran the things... this post is bogus. end of sorry.
Casey
Einstein your ignorance is only preceded by your incompedence.
these inserts werent available last year, i did pick up with just jetting and some carb mods last year.
this year its with these installed, heres your installed pictures as requested.
just remember i know how to make power.
when you get out of the 9.70's let me know.
by that time ill be 8.40's good luck! 
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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last one for the nasayers. 
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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09/15/09 10:22 PM
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last one for the nasayers.
In the old days, they would just machine the tops of the runners back further to have straighter/shorter air flow path somewhat. Have you thought about doing that? Are you going to touch the runners or raduis any of the inlets at all? Just curious.
I like the looks of those intakes, but after running a rat roaster for years with two 750 eddy carbs I modifed, I really don't have the want to go back that way again. I do give you a lot of credit though for making it work that well. I know from running mine that the metering rods and other tricks were closely guarded secrets. I asked more than a few people that had them running well, but always recieved very little info. I learned a few things that made my run what it did, but even the new single dommy intakes and carbs out run them.
Randy, i understand the rat roaster like the str14 were of a similar design, which IMO was not a good design. i heavily modified a str-14 which i got running pretty good but nothing like this 440-25.
these intakes really work, making 80 hp over a stock oe max wedge crossram and 100+ over the STR-14
if i had a choice i would run a 440-3X and be done with it but NSS rules state no single 4-bbls allowed.
also i like the challenge and fun to get these 2-4bbls to run and work with this 440-25 intake.
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Re: All Indy 440-25 crossram users.......
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09/15/09 10:25 PM
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Chris, for mine own curiosity, do you have a pic of the intake without those installed? 
steve, no pictures without the inserts but you can get the idea ,the corners are fully blocked off with a sharp angle giving the fuel a straight run into the runners.
i should have taken a picture with and without but....
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