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New C7 spindles for mustang II type suspensions #3200383
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Thoughts on adapting these to the various MII based front suspension systems on the market? (Rielly, QA1, HDK)

https://teamcpp.com/2021/04/new-product-corvette-style-mustang-ii-spindles-and-hubs/

* adjustable track width
* high performance C7 hub and bearing. big races. factory pre-load set.
* larger than 13" brake kits available in aftermarket

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Re: New C7 spindles for mustang II type suspensions [Re: cudacam] #3200435
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It's still an MII suspension. Not sure the squeeze is worth the juice here.

Re: New C7 spindles for mustang II type suspensions [Re: cudacam] #3200563
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At face value, that solution sounds fantastic, and one I would highly consider.
When did this upgraded package become available, at PRI/Sema?
This package would IMO be a great solution for Reilly IFS users that want a beefier hub set-up for heavy car RB or track day cars and or a 2" drop option.
What does concern me, the $649 price mentioned on the video sounds too good to be true.
Understand there are no corvette style HD hubs manufactured with 5x4.5" BC, if you look closely at the video you will spot a relief cut into the hub to allow the Mopar BC studs to be installed.
How much that machined cut weakens the bearing carrier concerns me.
Additionally, the C7 sealed hub assemblies based on internet reports are a wearable/replaceable item with a fixed life in hard cornering situations.
I really would have liked to have seen an Alum upright that C7's have.
No matter what, it's progress.


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Re: New C7 spindles for mustang II type suspensions [Re: jcc] #3200684
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Spoke with CPP today.
Available for prompt shipping
Uprights are DI.
they do not machine 4.5" BC in house, which I would like to have done on my existing IRS C7 hubs, so that will be need to solved elsewhere.
the Mustang II C7 offering has been offered now for 2? years, and news to me. eek


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Thanks for the info. I hadn't seen these until recently either.

Re: New C7 spindles for mustang II type suspensions [Re: jcc] #3200970
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Seems like a good option for Reilly to offer with his kits. I'd much rather have a Corvette upright than a Pinto setup if I was going to go that way.

Re: New C7 spindles for mustang II type suspensions [Re: Sniper] #3202258
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Originally Posted by Sniper
It's still an MII suspension. Not sure the squeeze is worth the juice here.




To my knowledge, the only part on coil over conversions for Mopars that is M2 is the spindle. How does that make the whole suspension M2?

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Originally Posted by jcc
Spoke with CPP today.
Available for prompt shipping
Uprights are DI.
they do not machine 4.5" BC in house, which I would like to have done on my existing IRS C7 hubs, so that will be need to solved elsewhere.
the Mustang II C7 offering has been offered now for 2? years, and news to me. eek



I have these on my car with an HDK suspension. It works great, the only problem is they are relatively short (stock M2 height), screwing the roll center. I've added a 2" taller than stock upper ball joint since this photo was taken to remediate this.

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Originally Posted by racerjoe
Originally Posted by Sniper
It's still an MII suspension. Not sure the squeeze is worth the juice here.




To my knowledge, the only part on coil over conversions for Mopars that is M2 is the spindle. How does that make the whole suspension M2?


It's for any MII based suspension. To quote from the link and enlarged so you actually read it.

Now, their Corvette-Style Spindle is available for one of the most popular suspensions on the market: Mustang II.

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racerjoe, what does that rod attached with heims on the lower control arm do ?
just stabilize the lower control arm bolts ? [under braking ?]
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Originally Posted by racerjoe
Originally Posted by Sniper
It's still an MII suspension. Not sure the squeeze is worth the juice here.




To my knowledge, the only part on coil over conversions for Mopars that is M2 is the spindle. How does that make the whole suspension M2?


iagree


The spindle is an important part of the suspension to design to. But I don't see one component is enough to give naming rights to the whole suspension.

And I doubt the spindle is off the Ford parts shelf. Does it even share the same wheel bearings at a M2?

They offer M2 spindle with 7 deg kingpin inclination vs 10 deg stock. Also the aftermarket one have at least the upper ball joint hole larger to accept the mopar K727 upper ball joints.

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Originally Posted by racerjoe
Originally Posted by jcc
Spoke with CPP today.
Available for prompt shipping
Uprights are DI.
they do not machine 4.5" BC in house, which I would like to have done on my existing IRS C7 hubs, so that will be need to solved elsewhere.
the Mustang II C7 offering has been offered now for 2? years, and news to me. eek



I have these on my car with an HDK suspension. It works great, the only problem is they are relatively short (stock M2 height), screwing the roll center. I've added a 2" taller than stock upper ball joint since this photo was taken to remediate this.



Nice! looks like you have the 2" drop version? Is that a Howe upper ball joint you will be using?

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Originally Posted by cudacam
Originally Posted by racerjoe
Originally Posted by jcc
Spoke with CPP today.
Available for prompt shipping
Uprights are DI.
they do not machine 4.5" BC in house, which I would like to have done on my existing IRS C7 hubs, so that will be need to solved elsewhere.
the Mustang II C7 offering has been offered now for 2? years, and news to me. eek



I have these on my car with an HDK suspension. It works great, the only problem is they are relatively short (stock M2 height), screwing the roll center. I've added a 2" taller than stock upper ball joint since this photo was taken to remediate this.



Nice! looks like you have the 2" drop version? Is that a Howe upper ball joint you will be using?

I was under the impression the previous pic was the 2" taller BJ.
Is that a spacer we see under the pictured BJ?


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Thanks for stepping in on that. Sometimes I just ignore the ignorance and move on.

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This was when I orginally installed the HDK suspension. Denny supplied a 1" taller than stock ball joint with his kit. It's a QA1 ball joint. I have since replaced it with a 2" longer ball joint that is made by AllStar Performance. It's a beefy piece with the stud being just under 1" diameter. The sleeve is a piece of aluminum tubing to hold the boot in place.

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Yes, it connects the back of the control arms together. I assume its there to add some lateral strength to the control arms. It comes standard with the HDK kit.

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Originally Posted by racerjoe
Yes, it connects the back of the control arms together. I assume its there to add some lateral strength to the control arms. It comes standard with the HDK kit.




interesting.
thanks for the response.
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Originally Posted by autoxcuda
Originally Posted by racerjoe
Originally Posted by Sniper
It's still an MII suspension. Not sure the squeeze is worth the juice here.




To my knowledge, the only part on coil over conversions for Mopars that is M2 is the spindle. How does that make the whole suspension M2?


iagree


The spindle is an important part of the suspension to design to. But I don't see one component is enough to give naming rights to the whole suspension.

And I doubt the spindle is off the Ford parts shelf. Does it even share the same wheel bearings at a M2?

They offer M2 spindle with 7 deg kingpin inclination vs 10 deg stock. Also the aftermarket one have at least the upper ball joint hole larger to accept the mopar K727 upper ball joints.


It's a simliar discussion as to what is a "Hemi" in Top Fuel, and not worth my time.


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