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Worked with an odd 727 today #3192685
11/22/23 05:55 PM
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A friend works at a facility that builds turbines. This baby has just been freshened and will be run in on the stand with the trans. Modified push button 727. As you can see the front bell housing is no longer there. No converter. No pump. I went over to figure out the shift cable arrangement on the stand. Pretty cool piece.
Doug

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Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: dvw] #3192687
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So for a Chrysler Turbine Car? If not what?
Thanks!

Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: 340Cuda] #3192721
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Very Interesting!


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Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: 340Cuda] #3192747
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Originally Posted by 340Cuda
So for a Chrysler Turbine Car? If not what?
Thanks!

Yes one of the 4 running cars.
Doug

Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: dvw] #3192753
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That’s awesome! Have you ever seen one of them running in person?

I’ve seen the one at the Henry Ford, and I thought there was one in the Chrysler museum too, but it’s been decades.


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Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: Blusmbl] #3192782
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Very cool stuff, I just happened to see this on Facebook

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Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: B1duster] #3192855
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I'm 67 years old.When I was I elementary school my class was on a field trip to
somewhere in downtown Cleveland. We were on the highway in a school bus
and I saw a Turbine car. I was so excited,even as a young kid I was always on the
look out for something cool. Can't remember what I had for dinner yesterday,but
I remember seeing that Turbine car so many years ago.

Mike

Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: mkdart] #3192856
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Cool stuff you get to be part of for sure.


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Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: dvw] #3192881
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That's pretty cool - I hate to even think of what that assembly is worth - almost irreplaceable!

Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: dvw] #3192883
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Wow! Very cool.


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thanks for sharing that picture Doug ! up bow
any chance of getting more ?
i have never seen that total assembly out of a car, so i would be very grateful if more pictures would be possible !
beer

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Does Jay Leno still have one

Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: mkdart] #3192960
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The bank president in the town I lived close to had one of the cars that they tested. I saw the car around town several times. I never saw an engine though.

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Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: volaredon] #3193006
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Originally Posted by volaredon
Does Jay Leno still have one
Yes I believe he does although I think he "hot started" his and had to have the engine rebuilt. I have seen an article or Youtube video about the process but don't remember which. Hopefully someone else will know.

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This is Jay's powerplant.
Doug

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Very cool! I get it not needing a converter but how could it work without a pump?


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Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: INTMD8] #3193161
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So It works quite differently. The turbines speed is reduced thru a 10-1 reduction gearbox. The turbine, power steering system, and trans all share the same auto trans fluid for ther lubrication and hydraulics. The turbine has a 900 psi pump that feeds the PS pump. Then it is regulated down to the trans and turbine. The fluid is fed thru the side of the pan to a fixture on the bottom of the valve body. The two valve body inlets for the original pumps (front and rear) are exposed. There is a large windage tray/filter in the pan. Fluid return is filtered when leaving the pan back to the turbine thru a large hose out the side of the pan. There is a hard line connected to the governor test port. This feeds a variable section of the remote pressue pump regultor. The pressures from the governor are used to vary the pitch of a turbine wheel connected to the gear box output shaft. Think of this as the front half of your convertor. The difference is that this wheel sends hot air against an impeller connected to the trans input shaft. Yes it's basicly a convertor that uses air flow like a turbocharger but creates shaft rotation instead of boost. A few thoughts. First two items I didnt understand. I coldn't see since the transmissions (2) there were both fully assembled. The fluid feed doesn't go into the return of the case. Not sure how the trans gets lube to the shafts and planets. Secondly there are no levers in the tail shaft housing that operate park. The pawl and cable lever are not there. The car itself has a park cable, but it does nothing. I talked to a guy from a museum that has a running car. He said park functions with the shifter (which is a lever, not a push button). His park cable is zip tied to the chassis and not connected. So something keeps the car from rolling when ppparked. The brakes are air powerd. So my bet is the air releases them and they are appied without air pressure.
Doug

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I think that is just amazing. A piece of history.

Re: Worked with an odd 727 today [Re: dvw] #3193252
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Originally Posted by dvw
The turbine has a 900 psi pump that feeds the PS pump. Then it is regulated down to the trans and turbine.


This is the same concept used in the original factory Clutch-Flite. Aftermarket builders like B&M improved on it by developing the "spider" that drives the pump via the three clutch pressure plate levers.

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I did a Clutchflite a few months ago, here is the backside of the main bulkhead. Using the spider drive makes for a much cleaner installation.

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