Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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My biggest drag and drive engine questions are on the lifters and rockers.
What are most of the N/A and nitrous people using? Bushed or bearing roller lifters, or are non-roller cams preferred?
Steel or aluminum rockers? It seems like once you go past stock style heads there aren't any steel options anymore, but what about for Trick Flows/Edelbrocks/Stealths?
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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My biggest drag and drive engine questions are on the lifters and rockers.
What are most of the N/A and nitrous people using? Bushed or bearing roller lifters, or are non-roller cams preferred?
Steel or aluminum rockers? It seems like once you go past stock style heads there aren't any steel options anymore, but what about for Trick Flows/Edelbrocks/Stealths? Serious Drag And Drive competitors run bushed lifters, and rockers, and the best you can buy. Roller cams are the norm. Kurt Johnson, who has won his class more than anyone in DnD events once told us, as soon as he gets home from the event, he pulls the engine, and sells everything out of it, except the block... He has guys waiting to get his good used parts. They are happy to get a deal, he's happy he used up the best life of the part.
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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Can you make +900hp for a reasonable price?
After all I have been thru and learned, I think a 4.5 bore block raised cam block with maybe a 4.75 stroke and Indy 572-13 heads with the Jesel rockers and spray bars 12.4:1 compression and a milder ramp on the cam than full race setup....Thoughts? A 4.75 stroke crank, is a complete waste of time. You need to decide which class you are going to run in first.
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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My biggest drag and drive engine questions are on the lifters and rockers.
What are most of the N/A and nitrous people using? Bushed or bearing roller lifters, or are non-roller cams preferred?
Steel or aluminum rockers? It seems like once you go past stock style heads there aren't any steel options anymore, but what about for Trick Flows/Edelbrocks/Stealths? FWIW, T&D machine shows the option of having the rockers made out of steel
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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W8 turboed or Indy headed 400 turbo or even a pro charger. Sorry, didn’t see the NA part
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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The first B1 motor I made for a customer made 920 HP at or around 7000 RPM, it was a World cast grey iron block bored to 4.495 with a 4.250 stroker crank with 7.100 long H beam rods with a set of B1 heads from Koffels with their cast aluminum single Dominator four barrel manifold and a custom ground Comp Cams 3 bolt roller cam. The customer furnished the carbs, they were custom made "Dam Best" Dominator carbs, he had two, a 1050 CFM and a larger 140?? CFM carb that didn't work worth a hoot I would build a 572 C.I. (4.500x4.500) B1 headed stroker BB on E85 for that deal with dual Mark Sullens prep E85 Dominator carbs on a tunnel ram intake: up: I'm in the middle of trying to complete an identical KB aluminum block B1 heads up no prep motor for some local 1/8 mile racing, I'm sure this motor will make 1000 + HP on E85, I'll add NOS as needed
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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Can you make +900hp for a reasonable price?
After all I have been thru and learned, I think a 4.5 bore block raised cam block with maybe a 4.75 stroke and Indy 572-13 heads with the Jesel rockers and spray bars 12.4:1 compression and a milder ramp on the cam than full race setup....Thoughts? Ray Barton can do 800's with a pump gas, single 4 bbl, flat tappet cam. A grandma motor compared to what you are asking for. If you want 900 I don't think he's going to have a problem making that.
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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Can you make +900hp for a reasonable price?
After all I have been thru and learned, I think a 4.5 bore block raised cam block with maybe a 4.75 stroke and Indy 572-13 heads with the Jesel rockers and spray bars 12.4:1 compression and a milder ramp on the cam than full race setup....Thoughts? Ray Barton can do 800's with a pump gas, single 4 bbl, flat tappet cam. A grandma motor compared to what you are asking for. If you want 900 I don't think he's going to have a problem making that. I would have thought my big Hemi would be making that much by now.....Seems I missed somthing somewhere...
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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Clark, it’s Eddie Ensor that you are thinking of. Runs an extremely clean Fox body Mustang with a BBC. Jimmy Lopez aka JLo builds his engines.
Oh and Tabscott’s SB runs a Mopar W8 intake on it.
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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That W8 intake has had ALOT of work done to it. I got to see it before being installed after Sick Week last year. Sick piece. Jasons car has also dropped some weight since last year. Couple of years ago I was staying at the same hotel before RMRW 2.0 started in Tulsa. Had a pow wow in the parking lot that included Jason, Doc McEntire. Jeff McConnel and Mike Crow. Learned alot about NA builds. What Jason does on only 430 C.I. is amazing That Small block is around 1000hp, to push the Camaro to the ET's it does. The car lost weight over the winter, but it's still no fly weight car, and Jason isn't a small guy. Him, and his wife Amanda are very nice people.
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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Clark...in 2018, when I met yall at Darlington before the hurricane, I was taken aback by Tabscott's Camaro. That car MOVED...I wasn't expecting it to run like it did. I think it ran 9.0s the pass I saw. After I left the track that day, I looked up the combo and class he was running to see what it was.
Dragula...If you'd sort out what you have, you'd be running where you want. There's no reason your car shouldn't be running low 9s. You have more motor and less weight than I do.
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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I wouldn't build a NA motor for that. You can run twice as fast with 1/2 the cam if you just put a Wonton war whistle on it Some people want the challenge. Put that Wonton War Whistle on, and be in a sea of others doing the same thing. Car still must fit into a specific class for the event.
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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Dr. James Mcintyre is currently running Sick Week with an NA 709 Cu. In. Goodwin Hemi in a 68 Camaro. It's been 7.72 & 7.76 @ 174mph, so far this event. They said He's the fastest NA car ever in Drag & Drive events.
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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Or run 4s in the eighth and coast to mid 7s
Been doing it for years with Indy heads lmao
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Re: What NA engine would you Buld for Drag & Drive?
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Or run 4s in the eighth and coast to mid 7s
Been doing it for years with Indy heads lmao While that is impressive, now add everything the car needs to be a "Street" car at these events, AND drive it 1000+ miles. People think it's easy, but are humbled really quick when something simple can take you out of the event. This isn't a weekend bracket race, or heads up race, you can use you golf cart to push the car around the pits...
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