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Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? #281720 04/08/09 08:21 PM 04/08/09 08:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	You see carbs sealed to hoods...but almost never a remote cold air box on a carb (when you have no scoop)...why is this? You see them all the time on fuel injected cars. I know 600 hp LS1 based cars that run these setups...but wouldn't you think stock hooded carb'd cars would benefit from the same setup? I know they arn't pretty...but if it's functional in acarb'd situation....it would be worth running to me. Would the cooling effect of the atomizing fuel in a carb'd application make this less effective than in a dry intake fuel injected application? What do you think?

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Quicksilver440] #281721 04/08/09 11:01 PM 04/08/09 11:01 PM
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sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	welcome back, we will look foward to reading your testing results regarding this matter Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: sixpackgut] #281722 04/08/09 11:13 PM 04/08/09 11:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Quote: welcome back, we will look foward to reading your testing results regarding this matter Thank you... Every few years I get so wrapped up in my other hobby (firearms and hunting) that I take a break from the car. But I'm trying to get motivated again...lol.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Quicksilver440] #281723 04/08/09 11:16 PM 04/08/09 11:16 PM
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G_bob master G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,616 Riverside, Ca	Quote: Quote: welcome back, we will look foward to reading your testing results regarding this matter Thank you... Every few years I get so wrapped up in my other hobby (firearms and hunting) that I take a break from the car. But I'm trying to get motivated again...lol. Hey Rob, how's this for motivation.... 10.21 @ 132..... IN VEGAS.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: sixpackgut] #281724 04/08/09 11:17 PM 04/08/09 11:17 PM
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topfueldart master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,697 Renton Wa	IMHO, I dont think it will help ET wise... unless its ducted directly to fresh air off the front of the car. Even then it will probably be minimal.. 11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost. 9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Quicksilver440] #281725 04/08/09 11:17 PM 04/08/09 11:17 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: You see carbs sealed to hoods...but almost never a remote cold air box on a carb (when you have no scoop)...why is this? You see them all the time on fuel injected cars. I know 600 hp LS1 based cars that run these setups...but wouldn't you think stock hooded carb'd cars would benefit from the same setup? I know they arn't pretty...but if it's functional in acarb'd situation....it would be worth running to me. Would the cooling effect of the atomizing fuel in a carb'd application make this less effective than in a dry intake fuel injected application? What do you think? We use to have it on cop cars

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Quicksilver440] #281726 04/08/09 11:19 PM 04/08/09 11:19 PM
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67Charger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,031 Erda, UT	Hey Rob... I guess we have more in common than I thought. I have the same hobbies and tend to go towards one or the other, rarely both. You've got some catching up to do... The Charger went 11.4 at Infineon, and since then I've upgraded to real slicks, Cal-tracs and now an 8" converter. Can you say 11.2? I've been wanting to funnel cold air in from under the car or in the grille area for some time now, just haven't fabbed anything yet. 11.33 @ 118.46 on motor 10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Quicksilver440] #281727 04/09/09 12:05 AM 04/09/09 12:05 AM
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Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	rvoyles, the main reason they run the boxes and ducting(in my opinion)is packaging and fitment and of course some modern cars don`t have scoops so it`s the only logical solution. And being computer controlled, they need to put the mas airflow sensors in the ducting to read incoming air and adjust acordingly. 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Thumperdart] #281728 04/09/09 12:33 AM 04/09/09 12:33 AM
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dave571 master Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,314 Carstairs, Alberta, Canada	I've made cold air intake tubes on my motor home. It's a carbed 440. I did find it helped economy. Not sure on power. I think it is definately a good idea on a non scooped car.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: dave571] #281729 04/09/09 12:50 AM 04/09/09 12:50 AM
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68Fastback master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,637 Western Michigan	Seen this on Two Guys Garage today, they worked on the Chevy truck. Looked pretty interesting how it was plumbed.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: G_bob] #281730 04/09/09 01:30 AM 04/09/09 01:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Quote: Quote: Quote: welcome back, we will look foward to reading your testing results regarding this matter Thank you... Every few years I get so wrapped up in my other hobby (firearms and hunting) that I take a break from the car. But I'm trying to get motivated again...lol. Hey Rob, how's this for motivation.... 10.21 @ 132..... IN VEGAS. Aww man...I've got my work cut out for me to catch up with you and Dan... Which means more $$$. Of course, going to the track more than once a year would help too..lol

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: topfueldart] #281731 04/09/09 01:31 AM 04/09/09 01:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Quote: IMHO, I dont think it will help ET wise... unless its ducted directly to fresh air off the front of the car. Even then it will probably be minimal.. yeah...thats what I'm wondering...it would have to come off the front of the car to have a chance at helping anything.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Thumperdart] #281732 04/09/09 01:33 AM 04/09/09 01:33 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Quote: rvoyles, the main reason they run the boxes and ducting(in my opinion)is packaging and fitment and of course some modern cars don`t have scoops so it`s the only logical solution. And being computer controlled, they need to put the mas airflow sensors in the ducting to read incoming air and adjust acordingly. You are probably correct there....it only makes sense for them to do it this way. But what about the old musclecars like Ford thunderbolts, etc with Ram air boxes and hoses running to the front of the car? Last edited by rvoyles; 04/09/09 01:41 AM.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: 67Charger] #281733 04/09/09 01:40 AM 04/09/09 01:40 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA. Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here
Quicksilver440 OP I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,766 Central Valley, CA.	Quote: Hey Rob... I guess we have more in common than I thought. I have the same hobbies and tend to go towards one or the other, rarely both. You've got some catching up to do... The Charger went 11.4 at Infineon, and since then I've upgraded to real slicks, Cal-tracs and now an 8" converter. Can you say 11.2? I've been wanting to funnel cold air in from under the car or in the grille area for some time now, just haven't fabbed anything yet. Your killing me....lol. I have trouble focusing on both hobbies at once....I think my car may actually be the cheaper hobby...lol (not really). I need to get my act together and get to the track while it's still cool out....I havn't started my car since last april or may.... ...I may try one. Last edited by rvoyles; 04/09/09 01:44 AM.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Quicksilver440] #281734 04/09/09 02:00 AM 04/09/09 02:00 AM
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67Charger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,031 Erda, UT	To be honest, lately the car HAS been the cheaper hobby. stocking up "just in case" has been misery on my hobby fundage. I actually got back into the Charger for some $$$ releif. Fontana should be rather educational. Brian (OU812) swears up and down the first step towards getting my car to reach 10.999999999 is an 8" converter, followed later by some head work and when I get the $$$ a roller cam. The car was begging to leave harder, but my converter said no. If I had just 1/2" to spare, I'd slip my nitrous plate on there and play in the mid 10's... maybe I should drop off my super restrictive $19 Summit mufflers and just let it breathe... I wonder if I could pull air OVER the core support with a wide funnel... 11.33 @ 118.46 on motor 10.75 @ 125.35 w/ a little spray Now, high Speed Open Road Racing - Silver State Classic Challenge, Nevada Open Road Challenge, Big Bend Open Road Race Rocky Mountain Race Week 2020, 2022 2.0, Sick Week 2023

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: 67Charger] #281735 04/09/09 03:55 AM 04/09/09 03:55 AM
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68Fastback master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,637 Western Michigan	On the show today they used a 4" hole saw and put an air horn with a K&N filter in the core supprt Last edited by 68Fastback; 04/09/09 03:57 AM.

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: Quicksilver440] #281736 04/09/09 07:53 AM 04/09/09 07:53 AM
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wildcargo master W Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,059 Swamps of South Jersey.	I have an air box and 2, 4 1/2" inlets when 1 of the tubes comes off I slow a tenth, I have never had bouth come off so 5152953-10.08A.JPG (49 downloads) Bud www.wildcar-go.itgo.com 64 DODGE 60' 1.433, 1/8 6.38 at 107.4, 1/4 10.08 at 132.02 foot brake, leaf springs

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: wildcargo] #281737 04/09/09 08:23 AM 04/09/09 08:23 AM
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actionange top fuel A Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,627 anywhere@ anytime	Here's the setup on my old car 5152989-Image004.jpg (78 downloads)

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: wildcargo] #281738 04/09/09 08:25 AM 04/09/09 08:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	the biggest reason you see it more on newer EFI cars and not so much on older iron is packaging--efi cars typically have a side-mounted throttle body at the end of a manifold, vs. a carbed car where it sits on top. and once you get into taller aftermarket intakes on a carbed car, you start running out of room real quick with a flat hood....but I think the results would be similar to running a scoop. biggest thing would be making sure the carb hat is designed to maximize flow, as it has the downside vs. a hood scoop in that it requires the air to make a pretty drastic turn into the top of the carb, vs a straighter shot with a top mounted scoop. 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Why no remote cold air boxes on Carb'd cars? [Re: patrick] #281739 04/09/09 10:16 AM 04/09/09 10:16 AM
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Dabee master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,438 Dandridge TN	I had the same Idea for the 511 ci wedge going in my Super Bee. I have limited hood space with the big Indy single plane intake I�m using. I called K&N and talked to one of their tech guys to see if they had the components to rig up one of their tapered filters to work on my car. He told me the bonnet restricts air volume above the carb. He said the carb mounted air cleaners provide the volume needed for big cub engines. Kind of like the plenum volume in an intake.

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