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andy's AR Engineering motor plate #2573519
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Anyone know what length ARP studs to get for Andy's motor plate/ RB BLOCK / , 440 Source alum water pump housing?

Thanks

Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2573820
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No idea.

What I usually do is stack up the parts, take a caliper, open the jaws, put the pin in the hole, close the jaws to the desired stick-out and there is the length required. Probably need to round off to whatever's available. Need not be a lab quality caliper for that activity...el cheapo harbor freight or even a plastic one from the hardware store is fine.

Lacking a caliper and just wanting to measure, I'd stick a long screwdriver in the hole until it bottomed out... add however much stick-out you want, pull it out and measure with a tape, and there you go.


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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: ZIPPY] #2573849
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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
No idea.

What I usually do is stack up the parts, take a caliper, open the jaws, put the pin in the hole, close the jaws to the desired stick-out and there is the length required. Probably need to round off to whatever's available. Need not be a lab quality caliper for that activity...el cheapo harbor freight or even a plastic one from the hardware store is fine.

Lacking a caliper and just wanting to measure, I'd stick a long screwdriver in the hole until it bottomed out... add however much stick-out you want, pull it out and measure with a tape, and there you go.



That's what I do.


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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2573863
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so I don't have to buy one odd length stud I mill that position of pump to the same height as the others. since im not using power strg its ok.


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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2573879
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The plate is 3/8" thick plus gaskets nuts and washers so you need studs 7/8"-1" longer than the stock bolts depending on how thick the nuts are and how much thread you want showing when it's all torqued up.

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Thanks guys.
No original bolts and yep, i can "all tread it" to measure up, no problem.
I just thought asking might be quicker/easier as someone might have the data or there might be a ARP bolt kit i wasn't aware of.

Thanks Guys, appreciate your time.

Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2574087
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I'm surprised he hasn't chime in with a AR Engr. part # yet shruggy


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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2574405
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All I used is all thread for my "studs"


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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2574561
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Originally Posted By RustyM
Anyone know what length ARP studs to get for Andy's motor plate/ RB BLOCK / , 440 Source alum water pump housing?

Thanks


Pretty sure they are 3.5" for the longest ones and 2.5 for the short ones. iirc

Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2574567
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Just a suggestion,

Don't use gaskets with a motor plate. Use silicone rtv, and tighten it as tight as you like. Using gaskets, you can only tighten the plate up so tight before the gaskets get pushed out. Chassis flex will get them one day too.

Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: dthemi] #2574656
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Originally Posted By dthemi
Just a suggestion,

Don't use gaskets with a motor plate. Use silicone rtv, and tighten it as tight as you like. Using gaskets, you can only tighten the plate up so tight before the gaskets get pushed out. Chassis flex will get them one day too.


I wish I read this a couple weeks ago! Thanks!

Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: dthemi] #2575015
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Originally Posted By dthemi
Just a suggestion,

Don't use gaskets with a motor plate. Use silicone rtv, and tighten it as tight as you like. Using gaskets, you can only tighten the plate up so tight before the gaskets get pushed out. Chassis flex will get them one day too.


Actually I o-ring the plate to the block - solves all the problems.


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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: markz528] #2575023
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do you have the plate machined for an O ring?

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Yes.

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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2575484
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sweet!

Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2575602
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MarkZ528, that is a great idea!!

I agree with dthemi, RTV, no gaskets. The one time I tried gaskets it bit me in the burnout box.

I use one all-thread stud on each side of the water pump to help hold and align everything on assembly. Then the rest I just measure for bolts.

I also used 'Rivnuts' to mount the motor plate brackets to the frame, worked great on my mid 10 sec Duster.


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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: ProSport] #2576123
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I have had Superformance gaskets on mine with no sealer at all and it's completely dry. I think the problem is some guys use sealer with gaskets and that is just not right. Two clean machined surfaces and the correct gasket is all you need twocents

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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2576147
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I've used the Fel Pro Teflon coated water pump gaskets on a lot of the race motors I've used with both motor plates and elephant ears with no leaks shruggy
My next race car will have O rings milled into the motor plate so no need for water pump gaskets up


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Re: andy's AR Engineering motor plate [Re: RustyM] #2576176
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As for O-ring plates, Andy , maybe you could offer it as a option? On the gaskets, Years ago with elephant ears the gaskets would start leaking after a short time due to the engine torquing the plates back and forth.. I have never had a gasket leak on Andy's motor plates on either car. I use stock FelPro water pump gaskets.


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