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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: mshred] #2237678
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Originally Posted By mshred
Is there anyone making or selling actual kits for sb LA engines? Anyone know what they cost?
LA and Magnum kits are basically the same. About $3K for mine and it was a bolt on - not including the "Snow" water injection system ( another $500). From the SuperCharger store.

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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: The Shadow] #2237737
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Originally Posted By The Shadow
Originally Posted By RTSrunner
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Here is my old procharged hemi at 8:06 of the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgmsK2zs44


That 'runner is awesome!...by old do you mean you have since sold it?

The procharged hemi was mine. Johnny had the body built for it

I see,it made a cool package.A friend of mine moved from here(Pittsburgh Pennsylvania) to Australia about 25 years or so back.He sold off his '73 'cuda before he left and I bought his parts stash & the cars original engine/trans.Looks like he should have brought it with him! It was originally a 340-4 speed gunmetal gray car,but had been painted burgundy and had a 440 auto swapped in.

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: Blown 68 R/T] #2237864
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Originally Posted By Blown 68 R/T
Mine is set up similar to Crizila's. A F2 on stock stroke 440, 950 blow thru , Car runs 9.40@145mph on 15lbs boost pulling 10 degree timing.



If it's ok, when I get closer. I might be picking your brain as far as setup. Just want to make sure I'm safe with timing, fuel, ext Thanks

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2237877
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One more quick question. I was told max wedge style port is the best way to go boosted. Even on a smallish .580 lift cam street car since velocity is not as big of an issue with boost? So I was going to look at the new trick flow 270 heads when they come out. Suppose to be in the 350ish flow.

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2237901
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Back in my day it was the Paxton Supercharger, poor mans 671. That was beyond our pay checks and fabrication skills then, we did carb one month, intake the next, bolt ons.

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2257031
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Because turbos are cheaper and make more power.

The route I'm about to take on a few cars sitting around the yard. ;-)


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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 1mean340] #2404705
11/16/17 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted By 1mean340
I'm working on a procharged 340 project myself. It is getting close to completion but the holidays set my machinist back some time wise.

My build is using a D1SC with cheapo front mount intercooler. I have been doing it on a budget (whatever that means, for a forced induction build) so I welded up my own piping and found what may or may not have been an incomplete SDCE bracket that I am heavily modifying to make my own pulley setup with.

the blower is feeding the following
69 340 block, hughes main girdle/studs, factory forged crank, Eagle H beam rods, forged pistons, ported W2 econo heads, E85 fed via aeromotive A1000 fuel system and FItech 1200 fuel injection, solid roller cam

What really sucks about this build is not being able to find brackets/pulleys for cheap. I sourced a billet SDCE one piece crank pulley/blower pulley for 300 something and then the work I have to do to make the bracket work.


Honestly, I think TURBO would have been a MUCH better and probably easier way to go. I already had the procharger though. I considered a single turbo, and I know I am quirky for this but I can't get over a muscle car having a tight overlap turbo cam and all the exhaust coming out one pipe. It's just nowhere near as cool as a big, choppy cam thumping out unobstructed dual exhaust.

Whether the sound is going to be worth the power loss of the blower, added stress on the crank/mains or potential belt slip issues- I don't know.

I am hoping to make around 700fwhp with this setup and pray that it stays together.

One of the biggest issues I see with building up MOPARS for forced induction is that many of the stock blocks can't handle the power that good head flow and boost can make, and when you start getting into aftermarket Mopar blocks the prices are so crazy that who has money left for forced induction as well? If you're a late model GM guy, you can go out and find a $500 5.3 truck motor, spend a few grand building it and make 1000hp with a cheap turbo setup. You could probably do the whole build for the cost of a good Mopar block and machine work.

At least this seems like the case with the small blocks. I know SCDE and a few other guys were pushing factory big block engine blocks way harder (well over 1000hp).
For what I ended up sinking into this small block I think I really made a mistake in not trying to do a big block instead.


How is your procharger build coming along?
I bought a p600b kit with intercooler and fuel system off SDCE back in the late 98-99’.
Hah, cant even remember now.
I will be putting the blower on my current build but just for fun and funny looks also adding the 78/75 billet turbo I got from VsRacing.

Ditching the intercooler and going e85 this time around.
Just got my girdle and sent off the carb to Eric for mods.

Crank will be back in a week or so then I can mock up to see how much milling needs to be done.

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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: mshred] #2404739
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Originally Posted By mshred
Is there anyone making or selling actual kits for sb LA engines? Anyone know what they cost?


Small and Big blocks since 1995.

http://www.sd-concepts.com/pages/cfHome.cfm

Where I bought mine.
They Have had a few Articles printed in mopar mags over the years.


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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: CTD5.9] #2534626
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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2535568
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Originally Posted By prochargedmopar
Because turbos are cheaper and make more power.

The route I'm about to take on a few cars sitting around the yard. ;-)


That about covers it.
My max effort BAE/Procharger/Methanol Outlaw 10.5 car ran 190 MPH at 2800 lbs 1/8th mile.
Same car, same motor but with twin turbos has been 209.46 at 3000 pounds 1/8th mile.

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: The Shadow] #2537288
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Originally Posted By The Shadow
Originally Posted By RTSrunner
Originally Posted By The Shadow
Here is my old procharged hemi at 8:06 of the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADgmsK2zs44


That 'runner is awesome!...by old do you mean you have since sold it?

The procharged hemi was mine. Johnny had the body built for it


Shadow... You Build an Awesome intake too!!!

I built my own brackets too
Made them out of plywood as a mock up and cut the from aluminum


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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2537353
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My good friend and I built a Procharged 496" raised deck for my '67. Just have a few little things to do, including putting a tune-up on it, but should be interesting. It's a blow through carb deal from Kevin at CSU and it seems pretty spot on out of the box, we'll see though when we really get after it. Anyway, thought I'd share that there are some of us out here Procharging RB Mopars.



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^^^Nice^^^
bump Keep this thread going.

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2537567
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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2537625
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I have a P1sc H.O. kit for an SRT Challenger for sale. I'll take $5000 for it. It has everything you need to bolt it on. Even has the instructions. I removed it when I sold the car.
Has 2 tunes in the Diablo and has the ATI crank pully as well. Also has 5 and 10 pound pullys.

PM me here if intrested

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2537682
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I prefer to see and hear my 340 getting screwed.
Just a preference.

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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 1Fast340] #2537720
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I have a w8, f2 deal. Have only made four 1/8mile shakedown passes. E85, Csu. It’s not all that happy yet. Hard to get it dialed when as of the last couple yrs I only go once a yr. My rate it will take a few more yrs to get it dialed in.
Haven’t taken the time to figure out pics or care to, or I would show you guys. I made everything.....

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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2537855
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Blower vs. NA: as long as the primary is big enough (sized for the boosted power, not the engine size or NA power) the length and equal or not matters much less, and saves $$, the chamber is always swept clean by fresh charge (not true with most turbos, which are extremely sensitive to high backpressure vs. boost pressure ratio).

Buying a Procharger: unless you get it from Scott or another trusted source, assume the brackets are too thin, and do what's needed. Many pictures, diagrams of blower brackets would cause a mechanical engineer to cry: metal and holes in the wrong places. Not an expert, but give me a good .jpg of the bracket and how it attaches, and I'll tell you if I see something wrong. Remember, "too thin" isn't the only error but it's common, and sometimes fixable with a simple 1/4" thick doubler plate (even a length of angle) bolted through the bracket assisting the stressed areas. Trust me, many people (who would never offer themselves as engineers) can intuitively "know" where the bracket will bend!


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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: polyspheric] #2538344
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Originally Posted By polyspheric
Blower vs. NA: as long as the primary is big enough (sized for the boosted power, not the engine size or NA power) the length and equal or not matters much less, and saves $$, the chamber is always swept clean by fresh charge (not true with most turbos, which are extremely sensitive to high backpressure vs. boost pressure ratio).

Buying a Procharger: unless you get it from Scott or another trusted source, assume the brackets are too thin, and do what's needed. Many pictures, diagrams of blower brackets would cause a mechanical engineer to cry: metal and holes in the wrong places. Not an expert, but give me a good .jpg of the bracket and how it attaches, and I'll tell you if I see something wrong. Remember, "too thin" isn't the only error but it's common, and sometimes fixable with a simple 1/4" thick doubler plate (even a length of angle) bolted through the bracket assisting the stressed areas. Trust me, many people (who would never offer themselves as engineers) can intuitively "know" where the bracket will bend!


Are you reffering to the intake runners or exhaust primaries?

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