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Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? #2235347
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Planning a BB Mopar Procharger build for next year. I've been trying to do a little research with no luck. I would think a nice Procharger build for street and strip would be a perfect setup. Run low 10s (if not faster) and still cruise around like a 500hp NA engine. Are they a pain to keep running right? cost? What am I missing?

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2235362
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Cost is huge and turbos make more power. There are a few fast procharger guys that don't hang out here also..

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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2235379
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Turbos are the future. For what a procharger costs you can build a nice turbo system. No belts to worry about or huge mounting system.


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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: Azzkikrcuda] #2235394
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Originally Posted By Azzkikrcuda
Turbos are the future. For what a procharger costs you can build a nice turbo system. No belts to worry about or huge mounting system.



IDK about the tube being the do all be all end all. If you google it, you can find Daddy Daves dyno test of his new Procharged engine. I forget what it made for power but it is impressive.


And IIRC, it was on a 750 carb. I could be wrong on that, but that's what I recall.

Can't wait to see it run, and since I don't sniff the air for every fart the SO guys do, DD may have already made some passes with it.


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I am not a Race guy - so take my comment for what it is. I think the procharger kits have issues with the serpentine belt slipping in some applications and "ready made kits".


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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2235407
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IMO The average mopar cheapskate wouldn't put the money into one.
purple shafts and ss spring mentality is the norm
Forget about a procharger or F.I.

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: The Shadow] #2235414
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Originally Posted By The Shadow
IMO The average mopar cheapskate wouldn't put the money into one.
purple shafts and ss spring mentality is the norm
Forget about a procharger or F.I.


Why is not having more money than Sam Walton such a negative thing? Purple shafts and SS springs work and are cheap. shruggy

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: DrCharles] #2235418
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Originally Posted By DrCharles
Originally Posted By The Shadow
IMO The average mopar cheapskate wouldn't put the money into one.
purple shafts and ss spring mentality is the norm
Forget about a procharger or F.I.


Why is not having more money than Sam Walton such a negative thing? Purple shafts and SS springs work and are cheap. shruggy


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Originally Posted By The Shadow
IMO ....
That's called Trolling troll Just click "ignore this user" and don't quote their whole text. It will make the Internet a better place. up

Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2235429
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I would love to go turbo. But not being a fabricator it's really not as practical for me as a bolt on Procharger. Plus I got a smoking deal on a Supercharger store setup with a F1R Procharger. I sent the F1R back to Procharger to have them make sure it was good to go. Now just need to have a killer short block built. And wait and see what the Trickflow 270 heads will be like. And research, research, research.

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Re: Why so few Procharger Mopar builds? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #2235430
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The biggest issue is like everything else Mopars are not a big market. So the brackets/kits will be more expensive or non existent requiring people to fabricate their own.

If that is what you want, build it! Don't let the people mocking "purple cams" and crap on here lead you away. Talk to the company or companies you want to purchase the procharger from they will have done a big block Mopar. Steve Morris Engines has a few on their youtube channel as well, but they might be a bit more then 10's unless your car weighs 8000lbs

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Originally Posted By rednuck
The biggest issue is like everything else Mopars are not a big market. So the brackets/kits will be more expensive or non existent requiring people to fabricate their own.

If that is what you want, build it! Don't let the people mocking "purple cams" and crap on here lead you away. Talk to the company or companies you want to purchase the procharger from they will have done a big block Mopar. Steve Morris Engines has a few on their youtube channel as well, but they might be a bit more then 10's unless your car weighs 8000lbs



Double AMEN to this. If you want it, do it.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Positive:
lower underhood temperature than turbo
hood clearance (unlike 6-71 etc.)
can use intercooler (unlike 6-71 etc.)
Negative:
low torque at low RPM
still need a complete header system
less power than a turbo with same boost


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Originally Posted By FastmOp
Truth, and offended cheep skate 😂


I'm a cheapskate too... while people with more money than brains (or two jobs) are putting upwards of $80k into their cars, mostly built by someone else, I'll be enjoying my $15k Dart in semi-retirement, everything but the finish paint done by me in a barn whistling

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The reason you don't see many Pro-Charged Mopars, is because there are few kits for Mopars, especially for the bigger blowers. The way Mopar engine compartments are, it is nearly impossible to put a charger on most of them, because there simply isn't room. So lack of kits, leaves most of them custom installs, but still doesn't mean the problems go away. A big blower on an early Mopar muscle car, nearly guarantees some inner fender mods and custom brackets. And a bigger motor is going to need a bigger blower regardless of power. A small blower is a cork on a larger motor and will actually hurt the power. Inner coolers or heat exchangers are hard to package in there as well. Most Mopars have little room in the front of the cars

Direct drive is always an option, but that's generally a race only deal

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Why does everyone overlook Vortech? They have a stronger transmission and operate at cooler temps and give off a cooler charge. Don't get fooled by prochargers more active and aggressive advertising

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Originally Posted By polyspheric
Positive:
lower underhood temperature than turbo
hood clearance (unlike 6-71 etc.)
can use intercooler (unlike 6-71 etc.)
Negative:
low torque at low RPM
still need a complete header system
less power than a turbo with same boost


I have a SB set-up in the works currently, I went this direction because, I felt the tuning/learning curve would not be as intense, the lower torque is, as I see it, a plus for a road race track toy, a simpler exhaust saves a lot of headaches, and was thinking the power delivery will be more predictable and consistent, other then that, I would have gone turbo. laugh2


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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There is a Pro-Charged late Charger here in Tacoma and he was a member of the Mopars Unlimited Tacoma Chapter. I still send him the newsletter. He likes to race and runs consistent low 12s with his street car. I will send him a link to this thread.


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You have already bought it, so this info may be a bit late. If buying a new blower, I would suggest vortec. Procharger will not sell as much as a seal to an end user. You are at their mercy when something goes wrong(and things do) during race season, if you're not sponsored by them, you wait and wait and wait.
If they sold parts you could at least repair your own stuff in a timely manner.
My friend sent in his procharger for a leak. It took 6 weeks to get it back. He makes one pass and the thing eats itself up. They forgot to tighten the impeller nut and the wheel chewed up everything. They fixed it junk yard style with a used volute, and a new wheel. Got it back 8 weeks later. Sold it after swearing to never buy another one from them.

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Call me a troll or what you will but there are very few that will spend the money on power adders. turbo or blower
Sorry if it offends some but that's my opinion
Procharger offers nothing for the old mopar market because there is little to no market. The aftermarket procharger mopar kits are too costly
It can be done on the cheap but most aren't willing to put the time into it.
It's easier to stay with purple cams and ss springs
Look at the block situation. The basis for all that this is built on doesnt have an aftermarket block supply from a decent company
Hopefully the gen 3 will breath new life into mopar but most here wont embrace them either

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