Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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I agree. The stock radiator was no match for the improved 'heatsource' on the other end. Had a chuckle when I noticed this pic comparing the 2 waterpumps; http://st.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/20...-sheetmetal.jpgI've tested a number of these on my own engine and found the factory stock 'childs toy' stamped impeller provided way more flow through the system then the 440source one with the cast impeller. The cast impeller 'should be' better, but is probably not designed that well.
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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It lost a lot of credibility when they wrote "Frame Off Restoration" on the intro page. The aluminum radiator doesn't surprise me (probably a sponsor) as I agree, a good factory 3 or 4 core radiator with a shroud would have done just fine and looked like it belonged there. Yeah cutting the subframes off of a Mopar just to restore the car seems like the hard way to do it! But I've had some of my articles edited in such a way that they don't make sense anymore. Sometimes an editor will try to simplify a poor sentence and it comes out not making any sense. The writers do not get final approval so the first time I see what I "wrote" is in the grocery store when I look at the magazine.
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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When they mentioned today pump gas with 13.5 to 1 compression my butt cringed My real 415 HP M.W. 1963 Plymouth Belvedere car never over heated in the Mojave desert racing it at LACR or driving it on the street on the old 100+ Octane pump gas back in the day with all the original cooling system including the original clutch type aluminum seven bladed fan Many people who work on cars today don't know which parts work the best, brass and copper radiators will shed a lot more BTU than aluminum will of the same size and construction
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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Wonder why they didn't just use the factory 7 blade clutch fan? Chrysler doesn't buy full-page ads (rim shot!).
An electric fan is a great idea, except: 1. if it fails you're restricted to keeping your speed above 40 (which may not do it - the shroud is a big restriction) 2. above 40 you don't need any fan at all 3. you're not really going to keep a spare in the trunk, are you? I've seen 20 X more busted electric fans than mechanical fans - and all the mechanicals had something hit them (the electrics broke all by themselves). The factory fan in my Coupe DeVille ate a cat, chewed it up, and spit it out with no damage (to the fan, the cat was shredded).
It's not so bad - last month one of the staff monkeys explained that "they're called 'funny cars' because the engine isn't the same brand as the chassis". I guess he was born long after 1965. But he could have asked? Who in that magazine would know, or care?
They should re-title it "1968 Camaro Monthly".
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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I bet if he had put a better fan on it and had overdriven the pump it would be fine. Radiators get too much focus. Airflow is most important
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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I bet if he had put a better fan on it and had overdriven the pump it would be fine. Radiators get too much focus. Airflow is most important Coolant flow is where it starts. In a hundred MPH wind if you have no flow you won't have cooling.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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That has to be the weakest burnout video I've ever seen. I actually prefer the look of an aluminum radiator unless I'm trying to do a 100 point restoration. It looks killer in that car and hopefully works better for him.
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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That has to be the weakest burnout video I've ever seen. I actually prefer the look of an aluminum radiator unless I'm trying to do a 100 point restoration. It looks killer in that car and hopefully works better for him. Yeah, like a half throttle burnout ?? Surely that thing could top gear @ 6000 on the spot.
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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I have the same car and use a '65 radiator, clutch fan and don't even run a shroud and it keeps my '63 cool! I don't attempt to run 13.5:1 CR on the street, either!
~$2k to fix an overheating issue. SMH.
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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2. above 40 you don't need any fan at all My experience riding along on Drag Week tells me this is not true on all cars. Bill
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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It lost a lot of credibility when they wrote "Frame Off Restoration" on the intro page. The aluminum radiator doesn't surprise me (probably a sponsor) as I agree, a good factory 3 or 4 core radiator with a shroud would have done just fine and looked like it belonged there. I bought a 4 core for my 68 RR from these folks. http://www.usradiator.com/plymouth-road-runner-1966-69-v8-bb-radiator.html It took 4 -6 weeks to get it as they build it to spec. The fit was perfect. Even the orig. fan shroud holes were in the correct location. I am very pleased the appearance. It cools the 383 the best it ever has been. I am swapping to a 470". Mark
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Re: Max Wedge cooling article
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Assuming that the radiator is big enough for the engine? Will vary somewhat based on the shape of the nose, exposed radiator core area, air exit path away from the core, etc. For core area start with 1 square inch per anticipated HP. Of course, this is impossible in those cars - the largest radiator that fits the stock opening is simply way too small. Making the core thicker is a band-aid, can only do so much. A 1,000 HP car can't cool continuously at any large throttle opening.
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