Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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If a shift valve is stuck you could get this complaint.
Let it get in to 3rd gear then pull the shifter down to 2nd - what happens. If it runs away or feels like it goes in to neutral the front band could be out - try that and post your results. Yes, it's a light duty three speed with the overdrive on it. I've seen this before. 2nd is just the front band apply. The trans doesn't know it's not working so you only have 1st until it's time for it to shift into 3rd.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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problem with the second gear band or band apply. May be a simple band adjustment.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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problem with the second gear band or band apply. May be a simple band adjustment. Generally if it's that far out of adjustment it's already smoked.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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Not always; at the loose end of the adjustment, the band strut will sometimes pop out.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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Not always; at the loose end of the adjustment, the band strut will sometimes pop out.
While I realize that is a possibility I've never seen it in the 20 years I was doing transmissions at the dealer. I've seen a broken strut once, a few sevo problems but generally once it's that far gone an adjustment is only a band aid.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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Not always; at the loose end of the adjustment, the band strut will sometimes pop out.
I saw this a few times at the dealer. I also saw some second gear band struts break but I cant remember if the ones I saw broke were rear drive or front drive as I have seen this on the front drive also. Ron
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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Thanks for all the good info. Let it get in to 3rd gear then pull the shifter down to 2nd - what happens. If it runs away or feels like it goes in to neutral the front band could be out - try that and post your results.
This was spot on. Locked out the overdrive and downshifted to second and the rpms went up(slipping or freewheeling). Dropped the pan, and definitely something going on with the front band. I can move the lever downward by the servo a large amount(1.25 inches) then it meets resistance and seems to engage the band. Does a strut issue seem likely or a broken band? Not always; at the loose end of the adjustment, the band strut will sometimes pop out.
I did not find band strut loose in the pan. Any chance this is sitting on top of the valvebody?
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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The band has to be grounded at both ends. One end has the strut attached to it then the strut runs to the operating lever. The other end of the band is attached to the case with a lug which the adjustment stud touches. If you see both the lug and strut tighten up the adjustment and see if the operating lever then clamps the band. If not the band is broken or the spot welds failed at either end.
Yes the strut or lug can land on the valve body.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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I can move the lever downward by the servo a large amount(1.25 inches) then it meets resistance and seems to engage the band. Try adjusting it, you might get lucky.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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1.25" is about 3 times the gap there should be. Doesn't sound good.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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I have seen a video of a guy changing out the front band in the vehicle, only removing the valve body for access..
Check out u tube. Some places used to sell what they called "slip in bands" for certain tranny's. It was so you could replace the band without taking the valve body out or loose. I remember years ago I put one in an auto trans but I forgot what brand car it was. What you did was cut the old band while in the trans with sheet metal cutters so you could slip it out. Then the slip in band comes with the one end removable so you could slide it in and around the drum. Then you put the removable end and the band strut back on and adjusted it. I only did one about 33 years ago as I don't even know if they still sell them type of bands. Ron
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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I put a few of them in Ford C6's many years ago. I've never found them sold for anything else though.
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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Re: 42RE Trans? 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0
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Thanks for all the help/suggestions. I found the broken piece of the band sitting on top of the valve body. The small anchor lug or wedge I have not located yet. Maybe it is sitting on top of the band? Slight chance it is in the drain pan and I missed it coming out.(I will double check that.) I am looking for a slip in front band so I can change it without pulling the trans out. Found this one for the 727. Anyone know where I can find a slip in front band for this trans? Should be the same band as the 904, correct? https://transmissioncenter.net/shop/slip...e-transmission/
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