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#2371128 - 09/15/17 08:26 AM Bracket Gen 3 Build
408strokerdart Offline
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Been a while since I have posted anything significant. My car has been down for about two years now ever since blowing up my W8 engine due to oil pump failure. I bought a 572 wedge and invested a small fortune to make it how I wanted it just to find out it would not fit into my car (tried to figure out how to make it fit, but nothing makes sense).

Forward to a couple of months ago when I was at the Monster Mopar race at Norwalk. It occurred to me that these Gen 3 platform motors perform pretty good and seem very reliable. This is when I finally came across Triple Threats post on his bracket build. I have talked with Dustin and he has been a big help in the decisions I have made to this point. My goal was only to build something that would put my car in the 9.80 to 10.0 range and be something I could put 160 passes per year with almost no maintenance.

So, here is what I have at this point after accumulating parts for only 2 months.

New 6.1 Block, .005 over 4.060 bore
Molinar 4.050 stroke crank/6.125 Molinar rod
Diamond Custom pistons with 15cc domes
Factory 6.4 heads (ported by Ray Meyers)
Upgraded springs and retainers
Custom Comp Hyd Roller, same grind as Dustins
Manley timing set
Stock Rocker System
Stock 06 Coil Packs
Stock Valve Covers
Custom 1 7/8 to 2" stainless step headers

Now here is where it differs from Dustins build...
Ported and highly modified 6.1 intake (welded up and cut for 92mm front opening.
Holley Sniper 92mm LS throttle body
Holley 80 lb/hr injectors
Complete Holley EFI HP control system and harnesses

I'm going to put a stock flat hood back on my car as well.

My only problem is that my original ET goals will be blown away. I will probably have problems keeping my 2800 lb car out of the 9.30's
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#2371156 - 09/15/17 10:06 AM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
Mopar_Rich Offline
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Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 1808
Loc: Sonora CA
You'll love the Holley HP. Good luck during the build.

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#2371159 - 09/15/17 10:12 AM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
Quickrunner Offline
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Registered: 03/10/10
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Loc: Indianapolis In. usa
Looking forward to seeing this build come together! The more of us taking the Gen3 plunge the better as far as shared knowledge is concerned. Your last sentence is killing me, as if too fast is ever a problem? Only thing I see missing from your parts list is a side slung procharger to blow into that LS throttle body, it would fit under the flat hood ya know.... LOL
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#2371170 - 09/15/17 10:25 AM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: Quickrunner]
408strokerdart Offline
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Originally Posted By Quickrunner
Looking forward to seeing this build come together! The more of us taking the Gen3 plunge the better as far as shared knowledge is concerned. Your last sentence is killing me, as if too fast is ever a problem? Only thing I see missing from your parts list is a side slung procharger to blow into that LS throttle body, it would fit under the flat hood ya know.... LOL


This project is all about collecting win slips from bracket racing. I could easily make it quicker and that is why I selected some of the parts I did. Good foundation if I want to lean on it harder. I plan to run both box/no box so 9.0 is as quick as it could reasonably be and chase everyone. I still have a tire size limitation and hot tracks down here limit what I can put down consistently. I would rather it be slower and print time slips at this point. I realized I like to go fast, but like collecting win slips better.

I look to have this up and running by Feb or March next year.
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#2371172 - 09/15/17 10:27 AM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: Mopar_Rich]
408strokerdart Offline
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Originally Posted By Mopar_Rich
You'll love the Holley HP. Good luck during the build.


I know nothing about tuning a EFI system. This will be a new venture for me with lots of learning curve. Hopefully I am putting the right pieces in place to be successful. Lots of sensors and harnesses for sure.
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#2371177 - 09/15/17 10:34 AM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
ric3xrt Offline
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Registered: 01/13/06
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Loc: Sellersville Pa
Going to be a great build, looking forward to se how it runs. The More G3 guys the better.
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#2371220 - 09/15/17 12:28 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
daron Offline
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Registered: 09/05/03
Posts: 180
Loc: LEBANON;PA
just wondering what the cost of a build like your is if may ask?

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#2371450 - 09/15/17 08:09 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
raceadodge Offline
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Registered: 09/20/13
Posts: 22
Loc: wa.state
Not sure if Dustin mentioned this to you, but if you're going to use the rocker shaft supports with the stock valve covers you are going to have to remove pretty much all of the support ribs inside the covers. Dustin mentioned he had to machine some of the bolt heads down also.

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#2371452 - 09/15/17 08:13 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
Just-a-dart Offline
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Registered: 02/20/11
Posts: 1098
Loc: Glendora Ca.
Sounds fun. I have a lot of the same parts soon to go together.

Are you doing a truck cover and motor plate?
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#2371716 - 09/16/17 12:41 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: daron]
408strokerdart Offline
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Originally Posted By daron
just wondering what the cost of a build like your is if may ask?


I will be all in at around $15K. This includes the $750 trans adapter for my glide though.
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#2371717 - 09/16/17 12:42 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: raceadodge]
408strokerdart Offline
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Originally Posted By raceadodge
Not sure if Dustin mentioned this to you, but if you're going to use the rocker shaft supports with the stock valve covers you are going to have to remove pretty much all of the support ribs inside the covers. Dustin mentioned he had to machine some of the bolt heads down also.


Yes, we talked about that. It appears that if you use the later model covers such as 2009 and later that is not an issue. I believe he used earlier covers and just did the mods to work.
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#2371718 - 09/16/17 12:44 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: Just-a-dart]
408strokerdart Offline
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Originally Posted By Just-a-dart
Sounds fun. I have a lot of the same parts soon to go together.

Are you doing a truck cover and motor plate?


Yes, truck cover (that I am doing some trick stuff to including some welding and machining) and then a motor plate. Motor from bell to motor plate will be identical in length to a bb mopar FYI.
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#2371736 - 09/16/17 01:31 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
pittsburghracer Offline
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Registered: 02/02/05
Posts: 11964
Loc: PA.
Originally Posted By 408strokerdart
Originally Posted By daron
just wondering what the cost of a build like your is if may ask?


I will be all in at around $15K. This includes the $750 trans adapter for my glide though.




Wow. Looks like I made a smart choice avoiding this type of build. My R3 build cost me 7500.00 and I thought that was high.
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#2371749 - 09/16/17 01:48 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: pittsburghracer]
WO23Coronet Offline
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By 408strokerdart
Originally Posted By daron
just wondering what the cost of a build like your is if may ask?


I will be all in at around $15K. This includes the $750 trans adapter for my glide though.




Wow. Looks like I made a smart choice avoiding this type of build. My R3 build cost me 7500.00 and I thought that was high.


Hooray!!! You built a SB using a stash of parts (used/good deal/otherwise) for cheap!!!

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#2371753 - 09/16/17 01:55 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: WO23Coronet]
pittsburghracer Offline
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Posts: 11964
Loc: PA.
Originally Posted By WO23Coronet
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Originally Posted By 408strokerdart
Originally Posted By daron
just wondering what the cost of a build like your is if may ask?


I will be all in at around $15K. This includes the $750 trans adapter for my glide though.




Wow. Looks like I made a smart choice avoiding this type of build. My R3 build cost me 7500.00 and I thought that was high.


Hooray!!! You built a SB using a stash of parts (used/good deal/otherwise) for cheap!!!




All new and not from my stash. Deals are out there everyday as nobody wants this old junk. Lol
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1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.89 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
6.001@113.27mph
9.44@138.23


Untitled by John Cadamore, on Flickr





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#2371998 - 09/16/17 10:33 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
408strokerdart Offline
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Loc: Out West
If this was a true bracket build I would have used a 5.7 block and late model Eagle heads. Also many ways to save on the Fuel Injection as well. I added cost so I would not be locked into such a mild combo and have room to make it more serious if needed without buying all new stuff again.
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#2372250 - 09/17/17 01:34 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
raceadodge Offline
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Registered: 09/20/13
Posts: 22
Loc: wa.state
Yeah, I was told the same thing about the 09 and newer valve covers. But when I received the 09 covers, there was no difference. I still had to trim the ribs to clearance the rocker shaft supports. The 09 and newer rocker covers are supposed to have a little extra height inside. I'm guessing it has something to do with the VVT system. I can send you pictures of what I had to do to make them work.

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#2372251 - 09/17/17 01:36 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
Bad340fish Offline
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Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 5367
Loc: Tulsa OK
What made you choose the holley HP over the Dominator or the MS3 Gold Box?

The biggest thing you would gain from either one of those over the HP is inputs and outputs, I don't think the HP has much inputs for data logging?
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#2372377 - 09/17/17 07:00 PM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: 408strokerdart]
gremlinsteve Offline
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Congrats on the build
Hope the camshaft works out for you
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#2372588 - 09/18/17 08:22 AM Re: Bracket Gen 3 Build [Re: pittsburghracer]
MattW Offline
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I will be all in at around $15K. This includes the $750 trans adapter for my glide though. [/quote]



Wow. Looks like I made a smart choice avoiding this type of build. My R3 build cost me 7500.00 and I thought that was high. [/quote]

Hooray!!! You built a SB using a stash of parts (used/good deal/otherwise) for cheap!!! [/quote]



All new and not from my stash. Deals are out there everyday as nobody wants this old junk. Lol [/quote]

WOW 7500.00 for an R3 build! I have that in my upper half of my R3.
Let's face it there are deals out there for those willing to look. If you want to build a R3 then by all means build one.
Have a couple of questions for you though.
What do you do when break your engine? Nobody makes R3 blocks anymore. W8 and W9 heads are nice but where do you get them?
My W9 heads are a little better than a stock Apache head. Mind you this is with the smaller cnc port job.
Oh wait you can get the latest version of whatever pro comp casting thats out there.
Stock eagle head outflow them all.
Having built an R3 W9 I can honestly say that the G3 platform is and will always beat the R3.
Matt



Edited by MattW (09/18/17 08:23 AM)

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