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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2368878
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Like others have said - go with the PBR and don't look back. I also have a small radial tire class car I run and use the 28 x 10.5 wherever its allowed in the rules. I've been a 1.19 60' @ 3200 on a leaf spring with that tire on a not that great track. That AND I have to pull power to keep the front end down. That tire is fantastic!

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Racing: Brand X, X275 Procharged Smallblock on M1, Leafsprings, Holley EFI = 4.30 @ 168

Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2368886
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Aren't the DOT tires quite a bit heavier than drag slicks?


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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Runnoft] #2369263
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Originally Posted By Runnoft
Like others have said - go with the PBR and don't look back. I also have a small radial tire class car I run and use the 28 x 10.5 wherever its allowed in the rules. I've been a 1.19 60' @ 3200 on a leaf spring with that tire on a not that great track. That AND I have to pull power to keep the front end down. That tire is fantastic!


1.19 on springs is impressive, what kind of car is this?

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I hesitated to mention the car since its brand X. A 1966 Chevy II with a procharged smallblock.


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Racing: Brand X, X275 Procharged Smallblock on M1, Leafsprings, Holley EFI = 4.30 @ 168

Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: fast68plymouth] #2369609
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Aren't the DOT tires quite a bit heavier than drag slicks?

the DOT (SS) are heavier than the PBR which is heavier than a rag slick . The Hoosier DOT 275 radial is noticeably lighter than the PBR but does not have the life , and are a [censored] to fit hate to fit 1 on a 10"rim . BUT a lot run a tube with rag slicks so put some weight back .

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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2370737
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Would a combo of the M/T having 2" more roll out and having to run less PSI account for the lower ET & MPH?
The 60 foots were very close. 1.41 Hoosier & 1.42 M/T.
Hope to try Castrol this Sunday.


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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2370775
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Could those things have a negative impact on the cars performance?
Sure.

Only one way to know for sure.

Any significant difference in weight between the two?


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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2370791
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31 Lbs on the M/T. The Hoosier does not list the weight on their site. But I see Jegs says 26 Lbs. So 5 Lbs probably does not help.

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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2370968
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The air Density altitude was bad at SIR last weekend. It was around 4,500 feet and got closer to 5,000 feet near the 3 rd round.

I was able to dial in enough power to still run 9.00's but traction was also not great later in the afternoon.

You will pick up a lot if it gets back down to 3,000 feet where it should be in the fall there...

My 10.5's were definitely spinning as 60 foot slowed from 1.26 down to 1.35.

Nice talking to you in the lanes!

Cheers,

Arnie

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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2370979
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Ok. Did not realize the air was that bad on Saturday.
Sunday with the wind I didn't question the numbers I was getting
If our weather don't smarten up, this weekend could be it.
Will run Castrol on Sunday.
Made the final 8 Sunday, well 7 because there was a bi.
With the wind the track had gone away well before then.
I was lucky. The 2 previous rounds I won because they each broke out.
Weather looks good Sunday so we will see what happens.

Great chatting as well. You have a beast of a car.


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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: tex013] #2371423
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So I have a question...If your running big power NA and a small tire with a carb, how do you ramp the power in?


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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Dragula] #2371425
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Originally Posted By Dragula
So I have a question...If your running big power NA and a small tire with a carb, how do you ramp the power in?

UMM, lets see, do they really want to share that secret with the rest of the world work whistling shruggy
Many different ways to fix that problem, left foot throttle control, timing and so on shruggy


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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2371453
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In the case of the OP, I think he just lets go of the button.


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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Wookie316] #2371521
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Yeah that is correct. The power I make sticks as long as suspension is set up and the track has a good prep on it. Now if I was to spray on top that would be a different story.


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So Castrol results different. 60 and MPH /ET same as Hoosiers.
Tried a small 75 shot. Ran a 9.86 with a 1.38 60 at 136 and change. The PBR's worked well. Not much burnout needed. Also ran almost 20 PSI with no issues.


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Re: Big Power, Small Tire [Re: Dragula] #2372667
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Originally Posted By Dragula
So I have a question...If your running big power NA and a small tire with a carb, how do you ramp the power in?


Use an MSD Power Grid controller to change the timing curve. You can set up a time based retard curve that begins on release of the Trans Brake.


Cruiser: 66 Dodge Coronet 500, Indy SR 440, Gen 7 Accel EFI = 11.38 @ 116.
Racing: Brand X, X275 Procharged Smallblock on M1, Leafsprings, Holley EFI = 4.30 @ 168

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