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I'm sure this thread will get locked or deleted since I used God in the title but didn't know of a more fitting word to use? But I am very thankful that there is a type of racing that is very affordable to those of us that do not have the income to support other classes of racing. We get to run our dinosaur camshafts and other antiquated parts. I'm sure some might consider it being on par with demolition derby types that like banjo music and spit tobaco products? They can think that all they want. But the next time your at one of those big events just remember if it wasn't for us bracket racers keeping those tracks open the big events would be far and few between.

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I'm sure this thread will get locked or deleted since I used God in the title but didn't know of a more fitting word to use? But I am very thankful that there is a type of racing that is very affordable to those of us that do not have the income to support other classes of racing. We get to run our dinosaur camshafts and other antiquated parts. I'm sure some might consider it being on par with demolition derby types that like banjo music and spit tobaco products? They can think that all they want. But the next time your at one of those big events just remember if it wasn't for us bracket racers keeping those tracks open the big events would be far and few between.

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I'm sure this thread will get locked or deleted since I used God in the title but didn't know of a more fitting word to use? But I am very thankful that there is a type of racing that is very affordable to those of us that do not have the income to support other classes of racing. We get to run our dinosaur camshafts and other antiquated parts. I'm sure some might consider it being on par with demolition derby types that like banjo music and spit tobaco products? They can think that all they want. But the next time your at one of those big events just remember if it wasn't for us bracket racers keeping those tracks open the big events would be far and few between.

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Sounds like you are a little upset over the cam thing.Do you really care?Run what you want and if you lined up next to me I wouldnt know or care what you have in your car,only that you beat me I love all the racing and think brackets are the most fun, because you have to think a little more than heads up.Have a good day and your car looks great

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Bracket racing is quality racing and theres nothing wrong with running a flat tappet cam,despite "the experts". I haven't raced the last few years as family obligations kept me away,this year I hope to get back on track.

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Good luck with that!

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if nothing else maybe we can have some good bar-b-Q and shoot the bull

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Sounds good,let me know ahead of time and I'll have some BBQ that will blow your mind!

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If there wasn't bracket racing, I don't have any idea what class I would have to compete in! I am sure I wouldn't have much of a chance though!

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Yes, because test-and-tune is like going on a hot date and at the end of the night, she gives you a hand-shake!

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Sounds good,let me know ahead of time and I'll have some BBQ that will blow your mind!

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My what big.................Tires you have, and wasn't it someone that looks just like you that bought a new aluminum block. The rest of us peons will just have to make do with our old tractor motors.

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Allen, what track is that in this picture and are you living in Bend now? If so (in Bend) cotact me if you want aboutr making a plan on whuppen up on them silver Camaro

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Cab that picture is from the portland track. No I do not live in bend the economy there sucks! Now as far as those two silver camaros go I plan on a severe azz whooping for both even though they are great folks!

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I like bracket racing, and did that more than anything. I ran a SG car for a long time, and loved it. It started to suck when the stutter box thing happened, and I quit SG racing. It was more fun to just bracket race at full throttle. I'll do it again at some point in the future, save some money, and maybe have more fun.

Full power bracket racing is a good thing to me, just don't like the feeling of a launch, then letting the car fall on it's face only to have it blast off again.

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Bracket Racing is a blast, those that run it down are usually the ones that stink at it or don't know anything about it.

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If there wasn't bracket racing, I don't have any idea what class I would have to compete in! I am sure I wouldn't have much of a chance though!

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Bracket Racing as far as I'm concerned has been the backbone of drag racing....not the beginning I agree, but what I believe has kept the sport and local tracks alive for many years....

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Thanks Rickster,

I used to do some class racing in the late 60s /early 70s. I enjoyed it a lot. But then I wanted to go as fast as possible, on a limited budget. So I bought a light weight car and put in the most powerful engine I could build. That meant bracket racing, as there was no way to run Altered or Gas on my budget. I still want to go as fast as I can afford and that will mean bracket racing for me.
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I like bracket racing, and did that more than anything. I ran a SG car for a long time, and loved it. It started to suck when the stutter box thing happened, and I quit SG racing. It was more fun to just bracket race at full throttle. I'll do it again at some point in the future, save some money, and maybe have more fun.

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Jeff, I have to agree that T/S Index Racing is boring for the spectators, but from a driver's standpoint it's anything but boring.

I leave on the vert at 6,000 rpm, pull the wheels out of the beams, drop to 3500 rpm .150 out and on the stop for approx. 2.5 sec @ 3500 rpm for a 1/4 mile run and mph @ 163+ on a 9.90 index....NOTHING BORING ABOUT THAT...

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Yes and I took a whole season off to afford the aluminum block. Now when I become one of those that inherited their daddys daddys business and goes into the office around 10:30am to check on their "Employees" and leaves at noon for the rest of the day to go "Class race" with their Roller cam 600 plus cubic inch, tubed chassis, wanna be prostocks I will quit bracket racing?

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Well, Theres no way in he!! I could ever beat a heads up car, but on the other hand......

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Just to crash this bracket racer's love-in....
Is there another form of racing out there, any form at all, where the first competitor to reach the finish line loses because they went too fast? Honestly....just asking. I don't even know why its called "racing" to begin with. Think about it. A 16 second car can potentially beat a 10 second car, if the 16 second car has a better package. I think it should be renamed, Consistency Contest. Yeah I know, it doesn't sound as cool or sexy, but it better describes what's going on. Think about my comments before y'all get insulted and defensive. Yes, I already understand that it takes a certain amount of driver skill and ability to set up the car for consistency so it can go rounds. And no, 1FastMopar didn't ask me to write all this. Now, who can make a reasonable argument as to where my comments are all wrong?

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Just to crash this bracket racer's love-in....
Is there another form of racing out there, any form at all, where the first competitor to reach the finish line loses because they went too fast? Honestly....just asking. I don't even know why its called "racing" to begin with. Think about it. A 16 second car can potentially beat a 10 second car, if the 16 second car has a better package. I think it should be renamed, Consistency Contest. Yeah I know, it doesn't sound as cool or sexy, but it better describes what's going on. Think about my comments before y'all get insulted and defensive. Yes, I already understand that it takes a certain amount of driver skill and ability to set up the car for consistency so it can go rounds. And no, 1FastMopar didn't ask me to write all this. Now, who can make a reasonable argument as to where my comments are all wrong?

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If you have 10 eight second cars, and a 7 second car pulls up at a heads up deal,, would you call that a race? I would call it a wallet contest. And there is already a winner before it begins . When everyone is on equal footing, NOW you find out who can really race, and who the clowns are that can't figure out why their multi$$$ car can't win

Don't get me wrong, everything has its place. But I'd rather know at the end of the day who the winner is, than at the begining.

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well i won't dispute any of your points but this one...it takes a little more than "a certain" amount. if you add in the super class racers which should be added it takes a freakin mountain of skill when there are plenty of races being decided in thousandths or even tenths. you think there is any other type of racing where drivers are putting up the consistant accuracy that bracket/super racers are? yea a lot of the heads up classes are cool and require skill (as well as bottomless pockets) not dissing them but in a lot of cases it's all about cutting a check not a light

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Just to crash this bracket racer's love-in....
Is there another form of racing out there, any form at all, where the first competitor to reach the finish line loses because they went too fast? Honestly....just asking. I don't even know why its called "racing" to begin with. Think about it. A 16 second car can potentially beat a 10 second car, if the 16 second car has a better package. I think it should be renamed, Consistency Contest. Yeah I know, it doesn't sound as cool or sexy, but it better describes what's going on. Think about my comments before y'all get insulted and defensive. Yes, I already understand that it takes a certain amount of driver skill and ability to set up the car for consistency so it can go rounds. And no, 1FastMopar didn't ask me to write all this. Now, who can make a reasonable argument as to where my comments are all wrong?

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well i won't dispute any of your points but this one...it takes a little more than "a certain" amount. if you add in the super class racers which should be added it takes a freakin mountain of skill when there are plenty of races being decided in thousandths or even tenths. you think there is any other type of racing where drivers are putting up the consistant accuracy that bracket/super racers are? yea a lot of the heads up classes are cool and require skill (as well as bottomless pockets) not dissing them but in a lot of cases it's all about cutting a check not a light

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Just to crash this bracket racer's love-in....
Is there another form of racing out there, any form at all, where the first competitor to reach the finish line loses because they went too fast? Honestly....just asking. I don't even know why its called "racing" to begin with. Think about it. A 16 second car can potentially beat a 10 second car, if the 16 second car has a better package. I think it should be renamed, Consistency Contest. Yeah I know, it doesn't sound as cool or sexy, but it better describes what's going on. Think about my comments before y'all get insulted and defensive. Yes, I already understand that it takes a certain amount of driver skill and ability to set up the car for consistency so it can go rounds. And no, 1FastMopar didn't ask me to write all this. Now, who can make a reasonable argument as to where my comments are all wrong?

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Just to crash this bracket racer's love-in....
Is there another form of racing out there, any form at all, where the first competitor to reach the finish line loses because they went too fast? Honestly....just asking. I don't even know why its called "racing" to begin with. Think about it. A 16 second car can potentially beat a 10 second car, if the 16 second car has a better package. I think it should be renamed, Consistency Contest. Yeah I know, it doesn't sound as cool or sexy, but it better describes what's going on. Think about my comments before y'all get insulted and defensive. Yes, I already understand that it takes a certain amount of driver skill and ability to set up the car for consistency so it can go rounds. And no, 1FastMopar didn't ask me to write all this. Now, who can make a reasonable argument as to where my comments are all wrong?

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One Question First Dave: What class do you race in...???

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I'm not trying to attack you here Dave, but I am gonna take some jabs at you for arguments sake. For example, I know you have worked hard long hours on your duster to get it to where you have, I've watched it transform over the 8+ years I have been a part of this board. But No matter how many hours I put into my dart, without the money, I'm not even in the same ball park, I can pretty much guarantee you have more money into your short block than I have in my whole car.

I think the point here with this post was that us bracket racers are glad there is still a viable place we can go, race, and compete against one another, no matter the size of our checking accounts or more importantly our credit limits Too many sports now a days have lost their luster or their appeal to many because they have been turned into a game of who has the most money. I understand some teams don't have huge budgets relative to the likes of big namers, but they still have a bunch of money invested.

Personally I would love to race heads up, as would probably the majority of bracket racers, but financially and geographically its not really an option for me at this point. So I do what I can, improve my car when I can, but regardless, I have fun, which is what its all about. If your whole basis of your argument is that its not really racing if a slower car can win, well that is a matter of opinion.

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Just to crash this bracket racer's love-in....
Is there another form of racing out there, any form at all, where the first competitor to reach the finish line loses because they went too fast? Honestly....just asking. I don't even know why its called "racing" to begin with. Think about it. A 16 second car can potentially beat a 10 second car, if the 16 second car has a better package. I think it should be renamed, Consistency Contest. Yeah I know, it doesn't sound as cool or sexy, but it better describes what's going on. Think about my comments before y'all get insulted and defensive. Yes, I already understand that it takes a certain amount of driver skill and ability to set up the car for consistency so it can go rounds. And no, 1FastMopar didn't ask me to write all this.









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"Now, who can make a reasonable argument as to where my comments are all wrong?"

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im not at all questioning that it takes skill to run at that level just that predominately it's a measure of finances as opposed to skill. you can be a good racer with little funds and win at bracket racing but no matter how good of a racer you are in the majority of heads up (no breakout) classes unless you have the funding you're an also ran. hugely expensive is a relative term but in the world i live in (and i'm not broke) running 6.80's on a 10.5 IS hugely expensive...how many people can afford to run a machine like that? i have great respect for these heads up classes and they field some absolutely incredible equipment but the bottom line is the majority of the time the guy with the most money not the guy with the most skill is gonna win simple as that

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I like bracket racing, and did that more than anything. I ran a SG car for a long time, and loved it. It started to suck when the stutter box thing happened, and I quit SG racing. It was more fun to just bracket race at full throttle. I'll do it again at some point in the future, save some money, and maybe have more fun.

Full power bracket racing is a good thing to me, just don't like the feeling of a launch, then letting the car fall on it's face only to have it blast off again.

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Jeff, I have to agree that T/S Index Racing is boring for the spectators, but from a driver's standpoint it's anything but boring.

I leave on the vert at 6,000 rpm, pull the wheels out of the beams, drop to 3500 rpm .150 out and on the stop for approx. 2.5 sec @ 3500 rpm for a 1/4 mile run and mph @ 163+ on a 9.90 index....NOTHING BORING ABOUT THAT...

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I like bracket racing, and did that more than anything. I ran a SG car for a long time, and loved it. It started to suck when the stutter box thing happened, and I quit SG racing. It was more fun to just bracket race at full throttle. I'll do it again at some point in the future, save some money, and maybe have more fun.

Full power bracket racing is a good thing to me, just don't like the feeling of a launch, then letting the car fall on it's face only to have it blast off again.

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Man,I HATE watching throttle stop racing-light turns green,hit the gas and car falls flat on it`s face.NHo fun to watch for spectators and I can`t think it would be much fun as a driver.

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Jeff, I have to agree that T/S Index Racing is boring for the spectators, but from a driver's standpoint it's anything but boring.

I leave on the vert at 6,000 rpm, pull the wheels out of the beams, drop to 3500 rpm .150 out and on the stop for approx. 2.5 sec @ 3500 rpm for a 1/4 mile run and mph @ 163+ on a 9.90 index....NOTHING BORING ABOUT THAT...

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Ok,I stand corrected -in some cases(like yours) it may not be boring to drive but I still can`t stand watching it.

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It was stated in and earlier post that: You never see the Bracket or Index guys bashing heads up racing....Hell I love going to the Street Nats...!!!!!!

Just Erks me that the Heads Up dudes bash on Bracket Racers all the time....Add em up we outnumber you by a very wide margin....

and I have to agree with the statement about Mr Millers absence from the forum

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Jeff...I understand your feelings also...but if you ever see me at the track...come on over. I will show you how much is involved in T/S racing and how much fun it is to do. Heck...if its not a points race I'll let you take it down the track

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I'm in the minority here, but I have always felt that brackets, especially the mod (IHRA) and Pro (NHRA) could draw spectators at a local level if marketed right. Keep the costs down....don't charge kids, make it affordable for the entire family. Those kids are the future, keep them exposed.

Think about the local track's strengths....the absolute different variety of cars, old MoPars, A bodies, AMC cars, vintage Camaros, Fords, even hot rods and old coupes. Altereds, dragsters, even interesting home built stuff. It's like a car show, only the cars go fast. Newcomers can wander the pits and see the cars close up and talk to the people.

The key is to educate, and for the promotor to promote the stuffing out of the local heavies to the local papers and media outlets. Make heroes out of the local hitters. Keep the program simple....tossing the electronics and throttle stops, even with the breakout the sport is not that hard to understand. Submit articles to the local paper by good writers, with good, well written stories describing close points races, or human interest stories. Promote "special" shows that old guys can relate to, NSS races, Supercharged Warriors, etc. Show the regular folks that there is such a wide gap between NHRA "Championship" racing and what we do it is unbelievable. Show them that they can see racing and racers locally put on a terrific show.....for cheap.

It may take some effort, but it could be done. Perhaps you will never compete with the local Professional baseball team for the spectator gate, but you could increase the interest and the gate substantially. The increased exposure could also create a large number of future racers.

What has gotten me really thinking about this is the phenominal success of shows like Pinks All Out. 38,000 fans were at Norwalk to watch my buddy David Ross win that event with his BGR Charger, a feild full of basically bracket cars. The good racing, the variety of cars, and spectators responded.

It can be done. I know there are many that disagree. But, I have been thinking about this for a long time.....it takes a promotor who is willing to work hard and try it.

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