EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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Dudes, I am trying to decide between two build options for my current project. The car: '67 Barracuda Fastback The Build: Nasty Big Block (440) Street Machine
I started building this 12 years ago. Back then, I cut out the spare tire well, because it was hacked up. My plan back then was to weld in a flat piece, and then install a fuel cell. In 2005, I was going to just run a carb.
Fast forward to 2017, there are easy fuel injection kits, and Spectra tanks with electric fuel pumps. So, I want to go fuel injection now.
Here are my two choices: Choice#1 Weld in flat trunk floor After market 16 gallon fuel cell External EFI fuel pump
Choice#2 Get a new spare tire well and weld it in Install Spectra Tank with internal EFI fuel pump
From a cost perspective (just counting fuel system - not EFI system) what would you do (given that my trunk floor is already cut out)?
This car is going to be my rough, blunt object - instead of my nice looking cruiser.
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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I like having a functional trunk. I'd pop a floor in it and do a factory style tank just for convenience.
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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Cell will require more safety work to segregate the trunk from passenger area
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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I'm missing the point, its possible? to flat floor it, and? install a cell underneath, with fill tube/etc thru the top, which is the direction I would pursue.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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I'm missing the point, its possible? to flat floor it, and? install a cell underneath, with fill tube/etc thru the top, which is the direction I would pursue. I'm not asking what is possible - I can build anything. I was asking opinions about cost - given the steps I took 12 years ago, before the EFI options we have today. Trunk space is not a concern - and I can fab an aluminum barrier to keep the passenger compartment separate. I will mount the battery in the trunk anyway. I am leaning toward putting a stock tank back in. One of the sticking points that is specific to a '67 is that the factory configuration has only 1 tank strap, and it runs perpendicular to the frame rail. So, this is different than the familiar, '68 on up 2 strap, parallel to the frame style. If I replace the trunk - I'd just put the '68 style in it - but it could be a little more work to make the change.
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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This aspect of our hobby has been evolving quickly. Fuel systems have come a long way in the last 5 years, especially for EFI conversions.
Gone are the days of intricate baffles, sumps, fuel traps and/or multiple snow mobile style pick-ups in an attempt to get air free fuel to the motor.
Now, you can use a stock tank, cut a hole in the top, stuff in a properly sized Holley Hydromat and plug the access hole with a fuel cell style blocking plate kit. Done, and it will out perform any of the older technology down to the last gallon.
Fuel pumps can either go inside the tank or outside the tank. Simple.
The latest trend is to use PWI controlled fuel pumps with no return. Return style regulators work well too.
In your case, I would put a flat floor in and mount a larger capacity fuel tank under the floor taking advantage of the extra room you have. Added fuel capacity is nice with a hungry big block.
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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If your going to cut out the spare tire well look at using a 1st Gen Mustang tank. They bolt right in the hole the well leaves in the floor.
You can buy them EFI ready and even with side filler neck.
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If your going to cut out the spare tire well look at using a 1st Gen Mustang tank. They bolt right in the hole the well leaves in the floor.
You can buy them EFI ready and even with side filler neck. I'd like to look into this. Can you point me to where to info is on these? I don't know the ford world.
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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Last edited by jcc; 01/31/17 08:27 PM.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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If your going to cut out the spare tire well look at using a 1st Gen Mustang tank. They bolt right in the hole the well leaves in the floor.
You can buy them EFI ready and even with side filler neck. I'd like to look into this. Can you point me to where to info is on these? I don't know the ford world. I didn't think about those tanks that doubled as the trunk floor. This site has dimensions: http://www.autoworksracing.com/gas_tanks1.htm
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon
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Re: EFI: Fuel Cell or In Tank
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I have the pump in the tank (Aeromotive Phantom) which was all that was available before the specific tanks for a-bodies actually came out. It's nice, very quiet, picks up fuel very well too. I did this to get the tank tucked up instead of spacing it down, and if the pump goes it's easy to change. Now that the purpose built tank exists, that's a great option.
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